Would Bruce Lee win UFC fights had he been still alive and willing to compete?

[IPON]

That's aload of crap,if he hadn't brought martial arts to America someone else eventually would have.Besides if I'm correct martial arts was around in America way before his time.

You are completely correct. Bruce Lee had nothing to do with bringing MA to AMerica. MAs existed in America decase before Lee was born

[MuayThaiFighter]

For anyone who says JKD is not a martial arts but a modified version of wingchun makes no sense?

If JKD is not a martial arts how can this type of combat fighting have a name put to it then.Obviously if it's called JKD it's a martial arts.I know Bruce Lee regreted calling it anything at all but that doesn't change the fact that it is still a form of martial arts.

Second of all if JKD isn't a martial arts yet it is a modified version of Wing Chung I guess that means Wing Chung isn't really a martial arts either then.

Also Sherwinc, if JKD is not a martial arts but a modified version of Wing Chung which is part of Kung Fu I guess Kung Fu isn't really a martial arts either is it? If it is then none of what you say about JKD not being a martial arts makes any sense.

If this is what you're saying,which sounds like it to me then how can Kung Fu be best martial arts when it's not even considered a martial arts to begin with.

You don't even know what the hell you're saying any more do you?

[MuayThaiFighter]

These Bruce Lee threads get so old...

I doubt Bruce Lee would be able to compete in MMA competition. In my opinion a thai kick would snap his leg is half.

-papa-

I agree 100%

[MuayThaiFighter]

I would put mponey on bruce lee.....im sure a lot of those fighters today use creatine or steroids and shit liek that...bruce lee=all natural beast

Actually you're wrong from what I read not too long ago although hardly ever mentioned Bruce Lee did do steroids,he didn't do it to get huge as most body builders do,he did it to get fast as certain steroids with proper weight training can make you faster.

To get huge with steroids you have to lift heavy weight Bruce Lee did light weights while on steroids to get his speed up.

So Bruce Lee was not all natural like you think.


Now as far as creatine is concerned,you may be able to put some muscle on but you'll never get huge with it,the results are completely different from those of steroids.

Another thing steroids and creatine do not improve skill they can make you stronger and faster depending on your weight training but won't necessarily make you a better fighter and that's exactly why he took steroids.Most athletes back then did.

[MuayThaiFighter]

my thoughts exactly lol....thank u my friend.....without bruce lee....there would be no martial arts here in america.....there just wouldn't.....

That's aload of crap,if he hadn't brought martial arts to America someone else eventually would have.Besides if I'm correct martial arts was around in America way before his time.

[IPON]

This thread should be tied to a 50 foot mideval catapult and be launched far into the air...

and into the ocean

[Tom Yum]

This thread should be tied to a 50 foot mideval catapult and be launched far into the air...

[mfern31]

That was very well put I agree 100% M . artist. However the question of Bruce being in a UFC and doing well is difficult to answer because there is no proof of any of his combative confrontations, I need a little more than "He said" or So and SO said. We need real proof of his ability in order to anwer that question dont you think?

[m.artist]

bruce lee's art was jeet kune do. nothing more. nothing less
he trained with many different martial arts inclding kung fu, so get different aspects of realistic fighting. he trained with ed parker, he trained with byong yu, he trained with many greats to get their perspective on the fighting arts. he also trained with many people to learn how to fight. not neccessarily their style, but to learn the mechanics and the principles, the "concepts" behind the technique. bruce was a thinker. he wouldn't stop untill he had a question answered. and his answer to practical martial arts were the concepts of jeet kune do
get it right
his artwas not tkd, not kung fu
he didn't have an art
he had a way of thinking.
and that was jkd

[sherwinc]

ya. the tkd guys name was byong yu

him and bruce had an ecounter when bruce was still doing mainly wing chun.
byong was doing a seminar and afterwards him and bruce talked. the tkd guy showed some kicks to bruce, and at the time his kicks weren't all that great.
but being the man he was, you could show bruce a technique one time and he could come back 5 min later and do it better then you did.
bruce came back after watching the man kick a few weeks later. bruce's kick and kicking power had increased incredibly.
so..ya
there ya go
no kung fu there lol

all of Bruce Lee's Hand / Feet attacks we have also that......

but if you still insist that Bruce Lee's Art is Tae Kwon Do..... then i can simple say that my art is Tae Kwon Do too and it is not kungfu......

and by that, i can simply say that no one beats Tae Kwon Do..........

HAW HAW HAW HAW........

Note:
all of bruce lee moves, we have that also in kungfu, a thing that we dont have in bruce lee's moves is the art of Jumping/hopping unto the opponent.... cause it is very exhausted........

[m.artist]

ya. the tkd guys name was byong yu

him and bruce had an ecounter when bruce was still doing mainly wing chun.
byong was doing a seminar and afterwards him and bruce talked. the tkd guy showed some kicks to bruce, and at the time his kicks weren't all that great.
but being the man he was, you could show bruce a technique one time and he could come back 5 min later and do it better then you did.
bruce came back after watching the man kick a few weeks later. bruce's kick and kicking power had increased incredibly.
so..ya
there ya go
no kung fu there lol

[DrAgOn-T]

do you enjoy being stupid?

no, no and no
that is NOT it.
if he where to get rid of all the stupid kung fu moves, then he wouldn't have any kung fu now would he
but guess what?
that's what he did
he stripped the non-essential (which was a good 99% of kung fu that he knew) and used what was effective, along with grappling and other arts (that where NOT KUNG FU) guess what else?
he was impressed with a good kicking artist and trained a little bit with him. Guess what art that man did? It was Tae Kwon Do!
Not kung fu
get over yourself already
get over your art
it's not the best, nor ever was
i could take you and you're "kung fu"

he took his kicks from TKD, wow, I always thought it was the absolute most useless P.O.S. ever, but I guess it's like anything else in MA, depends on who you train with.

[Tom Yum]

see????? as i told you there who won't believe me yet.....

all of Bruce Lee moves, attacks and defenses are all found in KungFu, i know it cause that is also the way we spar........

you could not tell whether what kind of KungFu Category we learned cause it is a combinations of all Good kungfu moves, and throw away the remaining stupid moves of KungFu........ and improvising each to match and compatible to the practitioner's body structure and fighting talents......

Fortune cookie says: "Tom Yum send bad chi in your direction"

now share that noodle recipe!!!

[m.artist]

see????? as i told you there who won't believe me yet.....

all of Bruce Lee moves, attacks and defenses are all found in KungFu, i know it cause that is also the way we spar........

you could not tell whether what kind of KungFu Category we learned cause it is a combinations of all Good kungfu moves, and throw away the remaining stupid moves of KungFu........ and improvising each to match and compatible to the practitioner's body structure and fighting talents......

do you enjoy being stupid?

no, no and no
that is NOT it.
if he where to get rid of all the stupid kung fu moves, then he wouldn't have any kung fu now would he
but guess what?
that's what he did
he stripped the non-essential (which was a good 99% of kung fu that he knew) and used what was effective, along with grappling and other arts (that where NOT KUNG FU) guess what else?
he was impressed with a good kicking artist and trained a little bit with him. Guess what art that man did? It was Tae Kwon Do!
Not kung fu
get over yourself already
get over your art
it's not the best, nor ever was
i could take you and you're "kung fu"

[sherwinc]

I am Bruce Lee's #1 Student. Let me quantify that. I have ammased a collection of every book, video, magazine, internet material etc etc available on Bruce Lee and am still collecting. But most importantly I have assimilated all of the information and can give you a definative answer to your question posted here.

First of all I think Bruce would be quite happy that anyone even cares as much to talk about him this long after his death. Bruce was far above and beyond martial art. He was a master of thought, and of the peeling away of all things illusionary, and deceptive. If anything he learned the art of taking a matter at hand, stripping it to it's essential components and assimilating the information, in as effecient a way as possible. Bruce was a problem solver.

Now to address a few things first of all Bruce was once asked about what he would do when he was in his 60's... and Bruce answered he would be the best 60 year old around. Bruce was a VERY REALISTIC man. But as it is I think the main topic here is assuming Bruce in his prime which to me was during Return of the Dragon era.

He once was asked what would he give to be 6' and 220 lbs. And he said if I were 6' and 220 lbs he would rule the world. So therefore we KNOW Bruce admitted a major size descrepancy. (A predominate reason his teaching of Chinese Martial Art to Americans was frowned upon. They were concerned that if much larger Americans learned their techniques their advantage would be lost... Which essentially is true)

Lets deal with basic physics. Given equal velositites a larger man's punch carries more force than a smaller man. However do the math. A smaller man's faster punch can be tremendously more devastating than a larger man. Also remember Bruce was absolutely solid muscle and bone. If you were to calculate his lean muscle mass volume compared to many larger men I think it would be close to equal. He did not believe in carrying around any excess fat.

Now back to UFC... first of all in and of itslef once again we are dealing with a SPORT!!! Not fighting!!! Not true "as it is" fighting. And Bruce once said in a real fight he would absolutely annihalate an opponent and rip their guts out. Not to mention probably gougung their eyes out after a sharp snappy kick to the balls. You see Bruce was looking at Martial Art as exaclty that "MARTIAL" What he did in the movies he admitted was artistic and somewhat more flashy than would be a true encounter...for entertainment purposes... altough he did believe strongly in still conveying his ideas through his films. Basically a REAL: fight with Bruce Lee in one which he did not feel he simply out classed an opponent...one in which Bruce felt a true challenge existed...he would focus on a rapid and immediate death to the opponent...but being that Bruce was not a murderer...I believe this to be the primary reason he never would have taken part in UFC.

From a simple technique and fighting standpoint. Bruce was a kicker...An amazing Kicker in that he truly trained his legs to be as much of a weapon as his hands. There have been UFC fighters who could kick...however what normally happens... A UFC fighter throws a half-a$$ kick, many times while going backwards..they either throw it in such a way as they never really intend to kick, or it is so sloppy they get caught by a good grappler with a takedown. Bruce could snap kicks and return to his fighting position blazingly fast..with PURPOSE and INTENTION. NO UFC fighter has even approached His Kicking ability. I think of Vitor Belfort..how we've seen him come out in animalistic fashion wiht his hands and dispatch opponents rapidly. Such is the way we would see a Bruce Lee.

Above all though do you know what we would see from Bruce in a competition as this would be TREMENDOUS ring generalship. It is much more talked about in Boxing. Howere I know Bruce would win most UFC fights because he was a master of dictating where he would want the fight to go. He had the confidnece and animalistic "It's you or me" attitude..and simply would win..or die.

Anyways people can say what they will..good or bad about Bruce but when EVERY person he touched personally in life has nothing but good things to say about him...THAT says something. Bruce was a kind man, a generous man. Overly generous. In an effort to give to his people, his family, his art, his audience, his students, his friends.... he just forgot to step back and take care of Bruce first.

I never knew Bruce Lee... but I feel like his friend....and miss him everyday.

see????? as i told you there who won't believe me yet.....

all of Bruce Lee moves, attacks and defenses are all found in KungFu, i know it cause that is also the way we spar........

you could not tell whether what kind of KungFu Category we learned cause it is a combinations of all Good kungfu moves, and throw away the remaining stupid moves of KungFu........ and improvising each to match and compatible to the practitioner's body structure and fighting talents......