Terrible Technique

[bvermillion]

Thai fighting style is simply this, well at least the style I am taught.

It is what works, it is what is easy to do, it is what KO's! it is all about power.

Muay Thai kicks are at all heights, legs, waist, head/neck. Its the way they deliver that makes them different, no kick is ever snapped in Muay Thai, why? because why snap a kick when you can either KO or paraylise with a devastating roundhouse? snap kicks dont do much damage and only waste time. All Thai kicks are aiming way past the target, you kick through never snap, a front side kick is not practical in a fight so is rarely ever done, IF EVER, in a fight. Kickboxers do this kick that is how you can tell a kickboxer from a Thaiboxer when both seem to be fighting Muay Thai. Spining heel kicks are great and are occasionaly done but you must consider timing, and speed, it must be done so quick that "he" doesnt see it coming! that is hard so is often left for the very good.

Thaiboxing is about fighting not flash, if you are good at thaiboxing you can look very graceful and powerful. Its not about looking good its about what works.

Sken is kicking thai style but he has very good fexability.

I dont know if you have any experience with snap kicks or not but if so you were taught them alot different then I was. I have always been taught to follow through your target then snap back. Not that bruce lee was the greatest or anything but he even preferred the snap kick. He taught speed as not how fast you can throw a technique but how fast you can pull it back and be ready to throw another one. It all depends on how you train. I think you can throw a pretty devastating snap kick. Of course it wont be as powerful as a thai kick but if need be you will be ready to throw another one where as it takes longer to be ready to throw a second or even third thai kick. I practice thai style round kicks as well I just use them for different situations. It just depends on whose rules you are fighting by or even if there are rules.

[bvermillion]

Hey, this is for the guy that said TKD had it all over MuayThai (if the conditioning aspect were equal)....that's a bunck of BS!!!! I remember the 1988 Olympic games in Seoul and I got to see TKD as an exhibition sport. Those guys were pretty shitty and I remember thinking that anyone of the Olympic boxers would have no problem in kicking their asses. Fast forward 15 years and I am now involved in MT...a tough and brutal ring sport (like western boxing) and I still think we would have wiped up the canvas with those TKD guys, not so with some of the MT boxers that I know and train with these days. Just my humble opinion based on my own observations...but valid I think.

I dont deny a thing you said I just believe there are quite a few techniques in tkd that could be useful in mt. Just as there are alot of mt techniques we train in are dojang.

[Damian Mavis]

I used sidekick well during my fight last March. Basically every time I roundkicked high I dropped my leg in front and he walked into a sidekick.

I finished the fight with a jumping spinning sidekick that went into his torso and up under his ribs....squishy...

I added a clinch knee pic so people don't think all I did was sidekick!

[SOUTHPAW]

I dont deny a thing you said I just believe there are quite a few techniques in tkd that could be useful in mt. Just as there are alot of mt techniques we train in are dojang.

I agree that knowledge of techniques that are varied is good. The more unpredictable you can be as a fighter the better. I am comparing what I know of competition TKD (admitting that my knowledge is somewhat limited) to Boxing or MT. It seems like point sparring vs. ring fighting. The TKD fighters that I saw were telegraphing a lot of their stuff, short on defense, and lacking in the kind of conditioning that they would need to fight several two or three minute rounds in the ring. I understood at the time, as I still do, that I was comparing apples to oranges but I just wasn't that impressed with what I saw. I come from a strong boxing backround with not a lot of other MA training before moving into MT. The Thai style is very familiar to me because of my background, but I appreciate any martial artist that puts in the time and effort to develop proficiency in their art. I just don't think that every art would be a suitable ring sport.

[bvermillion]

I agree that knowledge of techniques that are varied is good. The more unpredictable you can be as a fighter the better. I am comparing what I know of competition TKD (admitting that my knowledge is somewhat limited) to Boxing or MT. It seems like point sparring vs. ring fighting. The TKD fighters that I saw were telegraphing a lot of their stuff, short on defense, and lacking in the kind of conditioning that they would need to fight several two or three minute rounds in the ring. I understood at the time, as I still do, that I was comparing apples to oranges but I just wasn't that impressed with what I saw. I come from a strong boxing backround with not a lot of other MA training before moving into MT. The Thai style is very familiar to me because of my background, but I appreciate any martial artist that puts in the time and effort to develop proficiency in their art. I just don't think that every art would be a suitable ring sport.

Once again I dont deny anything you are saying. I never stated tkd was suitable for the ring I just said there are tkd moves that are suitable for the ring.

[papa]

lol

I dont care if you shrug off my response, but with that you are shrugging off the truth of the matter. The truth being the MT technique is more effective, powerful, and useful than TKD technique.
This thread is longer then it should have been. The way i see it you have finally seen the outcome of all of your time spent doing TKD. And its a weak outcome. So just because your MA doesnt offer the validity and value that MT does it doesnt mean bashing it will make TKD look any better.

peace and happy holidays
-papa-

[jubaji]

I used sidekick well during my fight last March. !

...

Robin??

[Damian Mavis]

Papa you don't know what you are talking about. Please tell me about your fight experience to back up what you believe. I have fought here in Thailand using TKD effectively and will continue to do so. Tell me about your experience.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[bvermillion]

I dont care if you shrug off my response, but with that you are shrugging off the truth of the matter. The truth being the MT technique is more effective, powerful, and useful than TKD technique.
This thread is longer then it should have been. The way i see it you have finally seen the outcome of all of your time spent doing TKD. And its a weak outcome. So just because your MA doesnt offer the validity and value that MT does it doesnt mean bashing it will make TKD look any better.

peace and happy holidays
-papa-

Obviously someone else that didn't read the whole thread. If you had you wouldn't have thought it was bashing at all.

[jules]

the problem with TKD is that it doesn't have a low kick... Most if not all early MT fighters in korea were TKD guys and they all believe in the effectiveness of MT over TKD. D.Mavis, your right, there are some skills in tkd that will help a fighter in a kickboxing match. But take 100 twins sets of twins and teach one TKD and another MT for 5 years and let them fight via K-1 rules (wich takes away the elbow,one of the most dangerous weapons for a MTer) and i think it is safe to say that MT will win about 70% of the time. Hey who knows? Perhaps your TKD is stronger than the TKD that these men have been training for years. Getting certified, going to the army and learning army tkd, and training for years is what they have done.. And in their opinion, MT is more practical=stronger.

[Damian Mavis]

I keep sayin this but no one seems to hear it heh. If you take ANY art and put them in a Muay Thai format (meaning fight by Muay Thai rules or close to it) they will almost assuredly be defeated by Muay Thai. We are not talking street fighting here, we are talking putting a guy from TKD into a muay thai fight and the TKD guy has no training for muay thai, he's gonna get his butt kicked most likely.

BUT the same is said of the reverse! Put a muay thai guy into a TKD format and make them fight by TKD rules and they will most assuredly be defeated! It is happening in Thailand! High level pro Muay Thai fighters have gone to WTF TKD tournaments in Thailand thinking they could beat them at their own game and all of them lost by a huge margin or got knocked out right away.

When are people going to start thinking with their heads a bit here? If you place someone in a new game they don't understand they are going to suck at it no matter how good they are at what they do. I think it's obvious when you say, put a Muay Thai guy in a judo competition and see how they do by Judo rules and we all know he'd get raped... why is it so much harder for people to understand that the same goes for anything. You have to be good at an arts game to win by thier rules and that is why most arts would lose going into a Muay Thai format... THEY AREN'T MUAY THAI! haha it's so obvious yet so hard to grasp!

Street fighting with no rules is an entirely different matter.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[jules]

K-1 is not a MT format. If anything it is designed to give Karatekas a chance against MT guys. ANd TKD if anything is more like karate rather than MT.

[S.Anucha]

K-1 is not a MT format. If anything it is designed to give Karatekas a chance against MT guys. ANd TKD if anything is more like karate rather than MT.

Thats actually a solid arguement!

[jules]

thank you... I think...

[jules]

High level pro Muay Thai fighters have gone to WTF TKD tournaments in Thailand thinking they could beat them at their own game and all of them lost by a huge margin or got knocked out right away.

I doubt that high lvl MTers would get "knocked out right away" while their hands are up and wearing TKD helmets. Perhas if you could provide a link proving they are "high lvl MTers", that would be another thing.