Thai Kick defense

[Tee Sok]

Yes it is great!,my teacher used to say(when i promoted) that i should put the opponents in the same room as each other overnight,they should breakfast together etc,get to know each other a bit,mutual respect can be gained which which could make for a great fight.

Two qualities which i feel are missing from the fight game in the west in general are Respect and Honour,the very two things that are shown in Thailand rings all the time.

That's a nice thing to do and it works. I am not a fighter, but when I
sparred and fought at my old gym it was kind of cool to talk with the opponent before and after a fight (many of us didn't meet during training sessions because of different training hours) and watch the others going at it before us.

So yes I think that what your teacher said does make sense to me and I think it would work out in most occasions.

[the tick]

Two qualities which i feel are missing from the fight game in the west in general are Respect and Honour,the very two things that are shown in Thailand rings all the time.

And what exactly is meant by that?

[Ghost]

Two qualities which i feel are missing from the fight game in the west in general are Respect and Honour,the very two things that are shown in Thailand rings all the time.

Too many people with big egos in the uk i think, seen some good instances of respect though. but yeah its lacking for sure.

[fire cobra]

This is just great. I mean in Thailand I have never heard of an opponent (before or after a fight) or of a student of another teacher who invites you to train at his camp/school without wanting to promote or sell anything to the public, just out of respect, kindness and to share techs and strategies. It should be an example for all the martial tribes and clans (Thai and others)that keep fighting among themselves and that care more about selling or claiming this and that.

Yes it is great!,my teacher used to say(when i promoted) that i should put the opponents in the same room as each other overnight,they should breakfast together etc,get to know each other a bit,mutual respect can be gained which which could make for a great fight.

Two qualities which i feel are missing from the fight game in the west in general are Respect and Honour,the very two things that are shown in Thailand rings all the time.

[fire cobra]

This is a rather interesting discussion, arguments are very well put and clear.
Learning a fighting art and an art in general really is a journey through the
art itself and through your own self, and the posts above showed clear examples.
Thanks a lot for sharing.

I agree Tee Sok,

And for my part i respect the viewpoints of all the people who have posted on this thread,its obvious they know what they are talking about.

[Tee Sok]

Things can be set and maybe some camps do it that way but not in a rigid by the numbers ways the westerners teach it and from my experience its not rigid but fluid. I have trained for a long time and the knowledge still keeps coming plus the little tricks that each fighter or trainer has, it seems never ending but in a small way not a large all encompassing way. Plus each time I fight I gain something. The last time I fought in thailand, my opponent invited me to his camp to train, I thought it was a cool gesture and my trainer said it would be good to go. I went there and they did things in a very different way than my camp in how they work and teach but they treated me great and I made alot of friends. So I guess the more you train, the more you learn and the more you expand which is the point of evolving and learning.

This is just great. I mean in Thailand I have never heard of an opponent (before or after a fight) or of a student of another teacher who invites you to train at his camp/school without wanting to promote or sell anything to the public, just out of respect, kindness and to share techs and strategies. It should be an example for all the martial tribes and clans (Thai and others)that keep fighting among themselves and that care more about selling or claiming this and that.

[Tee Sok]

This is a rather interesting discussion, arguments are very well put and clear.
Learning a fighting art and an art in general really is a journey through the
art itself and through your own self, and the posts above showed clear examples.
Thanks a lot for sharing.

[fire cobra]

Nothing is secret but knowledge of how things are taught, progressed and made functional to me is because everywhere i look and see schools, websites, books, dvds, its the same thing over and over again. So there might be people who profess to know it all and know everything but they seem to be vacant or absent when it comes to teaching it, explaining it, showing it and or writing or making dvds about it ESPECIALLY in the west. There must be some intangible that is missing from the tranmission of knowledge that is leaving out all this stuff because linkage and progression is how you teach, how you become better, how you learn the art and then taking it into the ring is another step and another even greater step is being able to teach it and transmit it without having to resort to endless drills of little to no merit to the art itself when there are all the necessary explanations, drills and progressions built in if one bothers to spend the time learning, training it and fighting it. So everything might be known but when it seems to come out its mostly cosmetic and hollow.

I agree with you George,as you say in the west for sure,we have to remember that most westerners dont speak The Thai language and cant spend months or years studying in Thailand so it comes bit by bit if it comes at all(understanding of the progressions and how to teach/coach those ways).

The Thai people have it allready,its theirs so its easy for them and that is my point,they all have it!.

Enjoy Thailand George.

[george stando]

Nothing is secret but knowledge of how things are taught, progressed and made functional to me is because everywhere i look and see schools, websites, books, dvds, its the same thing over and over again. So there might be people who profess to know it all and know everything but they seem to be vacant or absent when it comes to teaching it, explaining it, showing it and or writing or making dvds about it ESPECIALLY in the west. There must be some intangible that is missing from the tranmission of knowledge that is leaving out all this stuff because linkage and progression is how you teach, how you become better, how you learn the art and then taking it into the ring is another step and another even greater step is being able to teach it and transmit it without having to resort to endless drills of little to no merit to the art itself when there are all the necessary explanations, drills and progressions built in if one bothers to spend the time learning, training it and fighting it. So everything might be known but when it seems to come out its mostly cosmetic and hollow.

[fire cobra]

I tend to look at the small things which accumulate into big things, so I dont see everything as the same from camp to camp and approach to approach from the actual fights, champs and trainers. I learn more each time and I evolve into my own fight strategies and combos. Today i learned a strange clinching drill how to evade an incoming knee so slightly then immediatley counter attack, it was hard to do and it will take time to develop but it also seemed designed to teach a certain reflex and action. Every day its something new and its endless.

Thats my point George,that drill to evade the knee and counter will be known and trained by most boxers/trainers,there are no new or secret techniques in the Muay Thai ring.

[Khun Kao]

So what was the drill? Don't hold out on us, man!

[george stando]

I tend to look at the small things which accumulate into big things, so I dont see everything as the same from camp to camp and approach to approach from the actual fights, champs and trainers. I learn more each time and I evolve into my own fight strategies and combos. Today i learned a strange clinching drill how to evade an incoming knee so slightly then immediatley counter attack, it was hard to do and it will take time to develop but it also seemed designed to teach a certain reflex and action. Every day its something new and its endless.

[fire cobra]

Things can be set and maybe some camps do it that way but not in a rigid by the numbers ways the westerners teach it and from my experience its not rigid but fluid. I have trained for a long time and the knowledge still keeps coming plus the little tricks that each fighter or trainer has, it seems never ending but in a small way not a large all encompassing way. Plus each time I fight I gain something. The last time I fought in thailand, my opponent invited me to his camp to train, I thought it was a cool gesture and my trainer said it would be good to go. I went there and they did things in a very different way than my camp in how they work and teach but they treated me great and I made alot of friends. So I guess the more you train, the more you learn and the more you expand which is the point of evolving and learning.

I agree George,definatly not set in a rigid way,what i meant was they use the same movements which makes it a competitive sport,they all block,catch lean etc.

I have had the same experience in that each trainer has his own ways but ultimatly they are teaching the same things for the same game,and then there is Saenchai!.

[george stando]

Things can be set and maybe some camps do it that way but not in a rigid by the numbers ways the westerners teach it and from my experience its not rigid but fluid. I have trained for a long time and the knowledge still keeps coming plus the little tricks that each fighter or trainer has, it seems never ending but in a small way not a large all encompassing way. Plus each time I fight I gain something. The last time I fought in thailand, my opponent invited me to his camp to train, I thought it was a cool gesture and my trainer said it would be good to go. I went there and they did things in a very different way than my camp in how they work and teach but they treated me great and I made alot of friends. So I guess the more you train, the more you learn and the more you expand which is the point of evolving and learning.

[fire cobra]

My experience in Thailand is that things are set,there are certain counters the coaches want you to do and in every camp ive been to they are the same,eg against a body round kick use a shin block,evade back or catch,each of these leads to set counters which in turn lead to set defences and yet more counters etc,this is the reason that all the fights look the same.

On another note the corners are so important in Thailand,they set the tactics and usually win the fight for the boxer,knowing when to go forward or hold back.

Oh i love Muay Thai.