tkd vs muah tai

[maymay80]

Well, this is a nice change of pace. Another (insert martial art) vs. (insert martial art) argument. I know my words are only going to get lost in the random insults and pointless arguments, but here i go. It's the artist, not the art. The spirit of the fighter is what matters most. Tae Kwon Do is no more useless than any other art, nor is it any more useful. Every technique has its place, regardless of what all the other superior martial artists say. (yes, I am being sarcastic.)

but majority of the martial artists here concluded that Muay Thai will beat Tae Kwon Do cause its full of crap

[bugei]

That's a valid point maymay80. However, most martial artisits here have never seen good Tae Kwon Do. Since it is so popular now, of course there are many bad schools. Since that is the case, many of the people studying Tae Kwon Do are only slightly serious soccer moms and overweight businessmen who are looking for a good workout. They take Tae Kwon Do because it's convinient. Muay Thai is not as popular and therefore the people who want to learn it are more serious because they want to take that martial art specifically. If you found a person who was genuinely dedicated to Tae Kwon Do, then I'm willing to bet you would have a different opinion of it.

[Tom Yum]

I've seen good TKD.

The WTF US jr.midweight champ was one of my highschool classmates. As a matter of fact, he and I would talk alot about MA and we even worked out together a few times.

He could throw head high kicks faster than most people could punch. These were hard, sharp kicks too not flicky kicks from McDojang type schools.

Again, most TKD is convenient like you said and so the quality isn't there.

[El Mastero]

A good Tae Kwon Do fighter, such as myself, would demolish a good Thai Fighter of equal weight. Leg kicks aren't even a big deal. I'm a pretty good judge of intention. I can tell by a persons body posture and small movements exactly what they are about to do. So the minute I can tell that the MT fighter is committed to a low leg kick, I would just perform a jump spinning hook kick. They usually miss my leg and get knocked out in the process. My hands are as equally deadly and mad quick too. One reverse punch to their solar plexus and they can't even regain their breath long enough to defend against my ridge hands and backfists. TKD is the bomb. For shizzy!

[Tom Yum]

Do you train in WTF or ITF?
How often do you spar Muay Thai fighters?

[Thaiboxinggear]

A good Tae Kwon Do fighter, such as myself, would demolish a good Thai Fighter of equal weight. Leg kicks aren't even a big deal. I'm a pretty good judge of intention. I can tell by a persons body posture and small movements exactly what they are about to do. So the minute I can tell that the MT fighter is committed to a low leg kick, I would just perform a jump spinning hook kick. They usually miss my leg and get knocked out in the process. My hands are as equally deadly and mad quick too. One reverse punch to their solar plexus and they can't even regain their breath long enough to defend against my ridge hands and backfists. TKD is the bomb. For shizzy!

Surely you are joking El Mastero.....come to Lumpini stadium and lets see what you got.

[bugei]

Are you asking me, or El Maestro, Tom?

[Tom Yum]

I was asking Maestro.

I've seen good TKD guys - WTF champions. I think a WTF champ could do well against a highly ranked amateur muaythai fighter, but I think you underestimate leg kicks and the general toughness of well trained muay thai fighters.

Very, very few TKD fighters reach the level that they can win against professional thaiboxers.

Yilmaz Sherkan is one of the guys that recently comes to mind. Manson Gibson is yet another. From what I recall, Gibson had some great KOs from fast, flashy kicks against pro-thai fighters, but he got kod many times as well.

[Pitbullz]

if tkd people condition themselves to the level of the muaythai fighters than i suppose that its a good match :-)

[El Mastero]

Do you train in WTF or ITF?
How often do you spar Muay Thai fighters?

I trained in Moo Duk Kwon (TaeKwonDo) for about 9 months to a year. I trained in the Jhoon Rhee TKD system for about a year. I then trained in WTF TKD for about 3 years.

No I have not fought Muay Thai Fighters.

Surely you are joking El Mastero.....come to Lumpini stadium and lets see what you got.

Come on, jump spinning hook kicks to counter low leg kicks. Reverse punches to the solar plexus to finish fights. Ridge hand strikes. lol Ofcourse, I was joking. I actually thought it was pretty funny.

[avelocci]

If anyone wants to know what would happen in a real TKD VS. Muay Thai match I'll keep you posted. Ive been doing TKD for a while and older brother drove to his first Muay Thai lesson today. There are going to be some heavy battles in the corridors of my house, just can't wait till i start taking shoot-wrestling after I get my BB, lets c what the his master teachers him on the floor.

Sincerly,
Andrew Velocci

[k1-Terr0x]

im t3rr0r_ and this topic sucks and i will never post versus topics again thank you

[Boxiados]

You as TKD fighter VS yourself as MT F...

A good Tae Kwon Do fighter, such as myself, would demolish a good Thai Fighter of equal weight. Leg kicks aren't even a big deal. I'm a pretty good judge of intention. I can tell by a persons body posture and small movements exactly what they are about to do. So the minute I can tell that the MT fighter is committed to a low leg kick, I would just perform a jump spinning hook kick. They usually miss my leg and get knocked out in the process. My hands are as equally deadly and mad quick too. One reverse punch to their solar plexus and they can't even regain their breath long enough to defend against my ridge hands and backfists. TKD is the bomb. For shizzy!

you say "I'm a pretty good judge of intention?" well that's if one inteds to attack you with a single move and in slow motion, what about those who are so good in tricks, so fast in kicking you don't even see the first low kick coming that the second is already on the other leg! You described only one scenario out of thousands and only one of those very rare scenarios where you might get lucky... sort of science fiction/movie action kind of move!! Well stop dreaming, wake up and smell the coffee, things are bit more complicated than what you might think!

One can pretend attacking with a certain move but hiding the real intention, you do your movie move and you'r in his trap!
It seems like you really met some snail Thai Fighters then! I know a Moroccan who was a beast in Muay Thai, his TKD back ground made him a better Thai Boxer, even if he won many titles in TKD he ended up practicing only MT, of course his kicks were Fenomenal, one of his knock outs in the ring was with a super powerful spinning hook kick to the head of his opponent , very TKD style in a Muay Thai championship, but that was just after he beat the shit out of the guy, with low kicks, punches, elbows and knees, very very Thai style, ones he realized that, that was it, he felt safe to use his spectacular movie action spinning hook kick.

What you mentioned were your best techniques against a Thai Boxer are usually waht's dangerous for you to use against a Thai Boxer, and what normally does not work. I am sure you met some really average unskilled Thai B. with an expert one you won't understand what he is about to use; one of the good strategies in fighting is to pretend an attack while your real intention is to use something else, example, fake a punch but place a powerful kick, and in any case I normally fake a first move followed by a combination of two or three, a single attack is useless! Spectacular spinning kicks are dangerous for yourself if used against a very skilled fighter, if you miss the target or simply hit on your opponent's guard then your are screwed cause then you are open to some serious counters, if one moves a little forward avoiding the foot then the whole maneuvre is waisted, besides you can't perform many of those kicks cose they are energy and breath consuming no matter how fit you are, means if you try two of those and you miss your target the third will be slower and very predictable, so if you are to fight a very fit Thai B. and you spend your time performing energy consuming flying kicks he will just finish you by performing energy saving superpowerful low kicks and middle kicks and knees and elbows... and so on!

Well, I suggest you wait till you meet real good MT fighters who are as good as you are(if you are really that good).
Any one who's good in any Martial art would defeat easily any one who's average in any other Martial Art, It's sometimes more about the person than about the style, for example if we make a double of yourself but with Muay Thai expertise the whole thing might change maybe yourself as Thai boxer would beat the shit out of yourself as TKD fighter just because in Muay thai more things are alloud than in TKD and more weapons are used(elbows, knees, grabing the legs, clinch...etc) while in TKD 70% is focusing on developping kicks and your guard is very open which make you so vulnerable against a MT B
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I also had my experience with TKD fighters and who were quiet good, they were falling all the time cause any time they would want to kick high I hit on the other leg with powerful low kicks, I just had to keep my guard thight, then whenever we came to closer fighting their boxing skills were close to zero, let's not even talk about the clinch, then they are completely lost.

Besides, I am not just for one style only, I did whatever was possible for me to practice from Karate Shotokan, to Kali Filippino, kung fu wing chun, Savate, Kick boxing, Muay Thai, Pancrase, and would love to have the time to practice more stuff, it's just amzing to be able to understand each art and the diffrent ideals behind it, makes a fighter more complete phisically and spiritually. I love all Martial arts in all forms, I have my preferences which worked for me, there are some better than others but at the end one must choose what really works
In all my years of practice I always won all challanges as a Thai Boxer against Martial arts like Kung Fu, Karate, TKD. When I lost against European Pancrase champion Tarik 5 years ago I realized that I was cluless when it came to grappeling and since then I started taking classes of Pancrase with Tarik himself, now I feel more complete having learnt some serious ground fighting.

[ZAGA-BONGO]

Impressive

A good Tae Kwon Do fighter, such as myself, would demolish a good Thai Fighter of equal weight. Leg kicks aren't even a big deal. I'm a pretty good judge of intention. I can tell by a persons body posture and small movements exactly what they are about to do. So the minute I can tell that the MT fighter is committed to a low leg kick, I would just perform a jump spinning hook kick. They usually miss my leg and get knocked out in the process. My hands are as equally deadly and mad quick too. One reverse punch to their solar plexus and they can't even regain their breath long enough to defend against my ridge hands and backfists. TKD is the bomb. For shizzy!

I see!

[Damian Mavis]

Oh man, poor boxiados, types up a novel in response to a joke. (dude, read the whole the end of the thread before posting haha)

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD