Street fighting: Muay Thai or Wing Chun

[J-Luck]

Wow, this is nice stuff. I agree 100%.

When I first started Wing Chun, it was really awkward. The most awkward deflection technique was the "bong sao." But after several years of training, it's now natural. However, I still have a long ways before I'll truly master it.

Mauy Thai, on the other hand, definately gets you up and running in a much shorter time. I was told by senior students that I'll learn all the basics within 6 months.

In my opinion, both are effective (as a sport). That's why I'm learning both of them.

However, I'm not sure about effectiveness in street fighting though. Most of the street fights I've seen at school and on the news are usually 5 against 1 sort of thing. And the 5 opponents are usally armed with knives or bats. I don't care which martial art you learn, but if you have 5 armed opponents, I recommend you run as fast as you can and call the police.

Most of the fights you see on the news have weapons in them because that's what sells... they are but a minority of a fraction of a fraction of a minority of fights. And what school do you go to where 5 guys with bats and knives are jumping people... Sounds nothing like the norm. Whenever you handle that kinda business, you make sure you're outa a school zone... madd cops and the law will hit you harder.

[Tom Yum]

Thanks to the guys here who supported me. Brought a tear t my eyes.... - And, in all fairness, I do like the muppets!.

Any time, Bri.

PETRIE. Deep down in the back of your head there is a voice of doubt about your precious Wing Chun. But you suppress it

There are other voices he is supressing too. C'mon Bri, you can't just bring up one of them and leave us guessing at the rest...

PETRIE, we keep things light hearted here. If you want to have more fun, participate more often in our discussions but don't get so bent out of shape.

[Tom Yum]

respect...don't make me laugh...that is what this has all been about...but then i guess you can't see that...and you won't until you clear the shit from your eyes...so everybody here can dis wing chun...but the moment a wing chun person stands up...they are being disrespectful...**** you...if i want english lessons i would seek them out...i don't expect people to ram them down my throat...i suppose you feel it makes you bigger and better than me...but that's just your illusion and you are welcome to it...as for your condescending manner...well,thanks for the advice in the private messages,but to be honest with you i couldn't give a monkeys about this forum...like i said before bigoted and extremely narrow minded...why would i want to stay for that...i thought i could come on here and have a good sensible chat instead i was met with a barrage of bigoted verbal abuse...you can shove this forum up your ARSE...i'm sure you have the room...**** YOU

Re-read the previous posts about wingchun, PETRIE.

Several of us wrote that its more about the artist than the art itself. If the artist is willing to train realistically, the art becomes effective.

Wingchun is a little more complex than other arts, but less complex than an art like aikido (sorry aikido folks). The more complex the art is, the more it depends on finely tuned motor skills. To make fine motor skills work under stress, you'd probably have to drill those skills 500 more times than more basic skills.

It takes more time to make a more complex art like wingchun work compared to a more simple art, like boxing or muaythai.

PS - Forgive me for the flowery, high-brow writing style.

[ZeroAquaduct]

PS - the reason WC doesn't work most the time for most WC Pracs is that it is not a natural style, it is difficult to master, and there are systems out there that can have you up and running in much shorter time. WC is basically for very strange people who have the time and desire to put in the KUNG and the FU necessary to make the system work.

Wow, this is nice stuff. I agree 100%.

When I first started Wing Chun, it was really awkward. The most awkward deflection technique was the "bong sao." But after several years of training, it's now natural. However, I still have a long ways before I'll truly master it.

Mauy Thai, on the other hand, definately gets you up and running in a much shorter time. I was told by senior students that I'll learn all the basics within 6 months.

In my opinion, both are effective (as a sport). That's why I'm learning both of them.

However, I'm not sure about effectiveness in street fighting though. Most of the street fights I've seen at school and on the news are usually 5 against 1 sort of thing. And the 5 opponents are usally armed with knives or bats. I don't care which martial art you learn, but if you have 5 armed opponents, I recommend you run as fast as you can and call the police.

[Thai Bri]

Hey! Don't go hijacking this thread! We're talking punctuation here!

[Sly Dog]

I agree with Thai Bri concerning Chi Sao. There is such a huge misunderstanding about what Chi Sao is for. It is a "sensitivity drill", and it does teach sensitivity, but only for one application, and that application is not found in BJJ and the like. The application is "sticking"

Someone noted earlier that everyone talks about a friend of a friend. I'll talk about myself. I have successfully used "sticking" techs against JKD, Boxing, and various Kali practitioners. Note, these are all stand up guys.

Sticking is a skill that is unnecessary to the successful outcome of a fight, but I personally trained it because I wanted it. For those of you who have trained in Wing Chun and found Chi Sao to be pointless, you are partially correct. I say partially, because the practice of Chi Sao takes a long time to realize the ability to stick naturally and at high speed. I practiced 4 years before it finally clicked. Do I have an edge because of it? Maybe, but not enough to matter on a consistent basis.

After seven years of studying Wing Chun sticking became like riding a bicycle. It has been ten years since I finished the system, and sticking is still as natural to me as walking, but I've only practiced Chi Sao twice in the past ten years, and one of those times was as a demonstration.

So Thai Bri is correct in his accessment. To all the other Wing Chun Pracs, if you have only studied a year or two, you still have a long way to go. If you've studied more, then you know what I'm saying is true regardless of the mindless disputes that exist in the WC world.

PS - the reason WC doesn't work most the time for most WC Pracs is that it is not a natural style, it is difficult to master, and there are systems out there that can have you up and running in much shorter time. WC is basically for very strange people who have the time and desire to put in the KUNG and the FU necessary to make the system work.

[jubaji]

I tried...........

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[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

respect...don't make me laugh...that is what this has all been about...but then i guess you can't see that...and you won't until you clear the shit from your eyes...so everybody here can dis wing chun...but the moment a wing chun person stands up...they are being disrespectful...**** you...if i want english lessons i would seek them out...i don't expect people to ram them down my throat...i suppose you feel it makes you bigger and better than me...but that's just your illusion and you are welcome to it...as for your condescending manner...well,thanks for the advice in the private messages,but to be honest with you i couldn't give a monkeys about this forum...like i said before bigoted and extremely narrow minded...why would i want to stay for that...i thought i could come on here and have a good sensible chat instead i was met with a barrage of bigoted verbal abuse...you can shove this forum up your ARSE...i'm sure you have the room...**** YOU

[jubaji]

ooo here we have a forum where you can express your views on martial arts...as long as you agree with the two or three biggest gobs on here...if not you recieve a barrage of verbal abuse and ooo americain english lessons aswell...with punctuation...spelling and grammer...what a fucking waste of time you biggoted twats!!!

Ugh.

Kid, get your shit together before you become another short-time troll.

It would really improve your ability to express yourself in a manner more likely to garner respect if you showed some (any!) facility with the English language and didn't write as if you were chewing on lead paint chips.







"Bigoted"?

[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

ooo here we have a forum where you can express your views on martial arts...as long as you agree with the two or three biggest gobs on here...if not you recieve a barrage of verbal abuse and ooo americain english lessons aswell...with punctuation...spelling and grammer...what a fucking waste of time you biggoted twats!!!

[jubaji]

Too late, you have already failed.


Go away, troll.

[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

ooooo....show me where i have to take the test...you **** wit!!!

[jubaji]

mmm i'll give you the apostrophe...

You won't "give" me anything.

One 'year' would be the correct form in delineating items or as used in a reduced prepositional phrase.=bad bad english

You have proven yourself unqualified to even comment on the subject.

STFU

[Troll Virus]

troll virus...big thanks for stepping up with me against these muppets

PETRIE, to be honest I'm not with you.
If you could take the discussion on kindergarten punctuation and grammar to a seperate thread, it would be less distracting and Thai Bri might have less of an excuse, not to answer questions.

[PETRIE]

wing chun v muay thai

mmm i'll give you the apostrophe...

One 'year' would be the correct form in delineating items or as used in a reduced prepositional phrase.=bad bad english

troll virus...big thanks for stepping up with me against these muppets