The Brutality of it...

[Sagacious Lu]

Actually in that thread I was making fun of the people who taught me that. I'll find the post.



Them not crossing the street means that if I had kept walking I would've closed the distance. They crossed when they realized I wasn't going to do that, I was just standing there.

Sorry for the confustion, I was responding to this quote:

Agreed. But most people I know who train are the ones who will, say, cross the street when they see the obnoxious tattooed loudmouth skinhead punk.

[treelizard]

LOL... Fair enough, I'm just trying to put things in perspective. I don't remember what thread it was in but I remember someone told you not to do anything you wouldn't want a 6 year old doing. When I read that I was like "WTF... so does that mean I should ask my mommy for permission every time I'm in the mood for a chocolate chip cookie " There is such a thing as overkill.

Actually in that thread I was making fun of the people who taught me that. I'll find the post.

BTW... crossing the street shows fear, which IMHO is more likely to cause problems than avoid it. If someone's really out to get you crossing the street isn't going to change anything, but if it's just a guy with a chip on his shoulder than you just gave him the excuse he needed to give you a piece of his mind. I've seen the gutter punks in Jackson Square do exactly that- it was actually pretty funny because although I knew they were harmless the tourists they started making fun of looked like they loaded their pants Just my $.02.

Them not crossing the street means that if I had kept walking I would've closed the distance. They crossed when they realized I wasn't going to do that, I was just standing there.

[BoarSpear]

And with that being the case, I still say that proper mindset and awareness (attitude) training is far more important than any amount of martial arts.

Agreed 100 percent, but I've yet to see an MMA school that instilled those qualities....Does fairtex teach those qualities?

[Sagacious Lu]

And btw Sag, I hear you on the martial artists with paranoid delusions bit, and I totally see what you're saying because I see it on this forum all the time.

I do give people directions all the time but if, say, a group of five guys want directions late at night when I'm by myself, they may just have to go into one of the well-lit bars or restaraunts because I'm biking away. I'd rather err on the side of avoiding harmless situations than walking into a trap.

LOL... Fair enough, I'm just trying to put things in perspective. I don't remember what thread it was in but I remember someone told you not to do anything you wouldn't want a 6 year old doing. When I read that I was like "WTF... so does that mean I should ask my mommy for permission every time I'm in the mood for a chocolate chip cookie " There is such a thing as overkill.

BTW... crossing the street shows fear, which IMHO is more likely to cause problems than avoid it. If someone's really out to get you crossing the street isn't going to change anything, but if it's just a guy with a chip on his shoulder than you just gave him the excuse he needed to give you a piece of his mind. I've seen the gutter punks in Jackson Square do exactly that- it was actually pretty funny because although I knew they were harmless the tourists they started making fun of looked like they loaded their pants Just my $.02.

[treelizard]

And with that being the case, I still say that proper mindset and awareness (attitude) training is far more important than any amount of martial arts.

Agreed--but wouldn't MA help with mindset and awareness?

[Garland]

Doesn't necessarily mean self-defense...just think about the last obnoxious tatooed loudmouth skinhead punk you saw. He's the kind of guy who's body language/characteristics screams "I'm looking for a fight." And at some point...somebody might decide to take him up on that non-verbal offer.

Usually that fucker might take you up on the offer first...



or he might be a big pussy cat.
I've met both types.

[treelizard]

1 in 5 women in my state have been forcibly RAPED within their lifetime...and these are the people that actually came forward for a survey in a conservative and religiously domineered enviornment (i.e. more pressure to keep it secret)

http://2thinkforums.org/anyboard/posts/24477.html

I got my stats from http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html but there are different stats out there...

[Garland]

I bet many women you know have been assaulted too but just aren't telling you about it. I think the stats are now 1 in 6 women, and I bet it's much higher than that since so many assaults are unreported.

1 in 5 women in my state have been forcibly RAPED within their lifetime...and these are the people that actually came forward for a survey in a conservative and religiously domineered enviornment (i.e. more pressure to keep it secret)

http://2thinkforums.org/anyboard/posts/24477.html

[treelizard]

And btw Sag, I hear you on the martial artists with paranoid delusions bit, and I totally see what you're saying because I see it on this forum all the time.

I do give people directions all the time but if, say, a group of five guys want directions late at night when I'm by myself, they may just have to go into one of the well-lit bars or restaraunts because I'm biking away. I'd rather err on the side of avoiding harmless situations than walking into a trap.

[BoarSpear]

Okay Treelizard, what you need to do is go get your Hooked On Phonics workbook, flip to the chapter called "Reading Comprehension" and do the phuckin exercises...because you're obviously having some difficulty in that area.

I said that it attracts the type of people who are more likely to get in fights...dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence...basically morons like you.

And let me rephrase the quote and put in language that you might be able to understand....shitty people have shitty lives.

How the hell you imbeciles manage to use a computer is mystifying...

I almost ignored this thread due to the posters involved and the whining BS certain to follow, glad I checked in, that made my day.

[BoarSpear]

The impression that I get from this story is that in person you're so surly (paranoid delusions maybe?) that you wouldn't answer a polite question like "Can you tell me how to get to Broad St. from here?" My intention isn't to attack you personally, but it seems to me that training regularly can give some people a warped view that makes them suspicious of ordinary, harmless situations, which to me is sad.

You win first prize Sag....

[treelizard]

I said that it attracts the type of people who are more likely to get in fights...dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence...

So maybe you're training with the wrong people if you think they are dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence. Do you consider yourself one of them, since you train with them?

Doesn't necessarily mean self-defense...just think about the last obnoxious tatooed loudmouth skinhead punk you saw. He's the kind of guy who's body language/characteristics screams "I'm looking for a fight." And at some point...somebody might decide to take him up on that non-verbal offer.

Agreed. But most people I know who train are the ones who will, say, cross the street when they see the obnoxious tattooed loudmouth skinhead punk.

I guess it depends who you train with.

[treelizard]

I first noticed these two guys as I was unlocking my bike after the outdoor movie I was at (when the guy I was with left before I was set to go, btw--because he doesn't train and doesn't know any better ). One of them made some comments at me which I ignored and the other was just kind of standing behind him. I waited until they left got my bike and started going home, but I was going the same way they were. They turned around, saw me there and just stood there even though their light was green, didn't cross the street until they noticed that I was stopped and wasn't gonna catch up to them. Then they walked. Also they weren't waiting for me to cross so the road would be clear from them to pass--they were going left, and I was going straight, and I was behind them.

As for the guy with the knife I saw, I'm pretty sure I could have just stood there as he walked past me but didn't want to take any chances.

[Sagacious Lu]

As I was biking home today I noticed two men who were standing at a green light looking like they were going to turn right. They turned around, looked at me and just stood there. I of course kept a really nice sized distance, and when they noticed me park my bike, basically, they proceeded to cross.

This is the kind of thing I was talking about. Now look, I don't really know you, I don't know your home town and I wasn't there so all I know about this situation is from this blurb on the internet. Don't take this too personally but this sounds really weird to me. Why would you treat two guys waiting to cross the street as a threat? Why would you assume they were going to talk to you? Why would it be bad if they did want to talk to you? It sounds to me like they were waiting for you to pass so that the road would be clear for them to cross. Even if they did want to talk to you why wouldn't you assume they just needed directions, or the time of day, or something similarly harmless and mundane? The impression that I get from this story is that in person you're so surly (paranoid delusions maybe?) that you wouldn't answer a polite question like "Can you tell me how to get to Broad St. from here?" My intention isn't to attack you personally, but it seems to me that training regularly can give some people a warped view that makes them suspicious of ordinary, harmless situations, which to me is sad.

[bOoRadley]

Okay Treelizard, what you need to do is go get your Hooked On Phonics workbook, flip to the chapter called "Reading Comprehension" and do the phuckin exercises...because you're obviously having some difficulty in that area.

I said that it attracts the type of people who are more likely to get in fights...dumb people who get frustrated by their lack of ability to comprehend the world around them so they resort to violence...basically morons like you.

And let me rephrase the quote and put in language that you might be able to understand....shitty people have shitty lives.

How the hell you imbeciles manage to use a computer is mystifying...