Anti-Grappling

[Uke]

EmptyneSs

see you misunderstand what grappling should be used for in the self defense context. i train in muay thai and bjj, not for sport but for empty handed self defense. if i was to get into a confrontation that i cant escape, im going to try my hardest to avoid going to the ground. im not going to be matt hueghs and attempt amazing takedowns. im going to strike and move until i can escape. however, not everything always goes they way i plan. so mabye the dude im fighting gets past my punches and tackles me and gets me in a headlock. this is when my grappling is going to come in. to escape shitty positions forced on my by others.

No, YOU misunderstand what I've been saying. What you've been saying grappling should be used for is what I've been saying on this forum since I arrived. How you missed that is any one's guess. Your entire argument makes no sense because you've re-written my points in order to argue with me. But if my points are your points, where's the argument? Which is why I previously stated that you need to work on your reading skills. Arguing to argue makes no sense, and that's what you're doing because are points are one and the same.

Now, if you're using Thai boxing as a sole source of SD, then you should rethink that as well. Thai boxing is a great component, but not a SD system in itself. If you'd like to see the difference between a sport method and a SD method, click the link and read the top post.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=18800&page=4

[EmptyneSs]

I said it in the first post on this topic. You've said it above. I guess understanding that principle is like trying to read Aramaic to some of these guys. This is how you can tell that the sum of their fighting experience is a pushing match at the 7-11. Its gonna take someone to stick em' a few times before they get the gist of it. Not surprising. Most people only come to the blade after its been brought to them the hard way.

i carry a blade everywere i go. whats your point?

[EmptyneSs]

So when someone comes up and bitchslaps you in the face emptyness, you're going to do what? A belly to belly suplex? A flying armbar? I got it .. a rolling leglock?

Tell me, how is ground grappling supposed to be used? Tell me how you will avoid having to charge to get in to grapple. Tell us all how you will magically close the distance with no resistance. You're arguments are pathetic at best. We've all agreed dozens of times that ground grappling is best used to escape holds, chokes and return to your feet, so what are bringing to the debate that hasn't already been said? Or are you just a waste of time like jubaji?

see you misunderstand what grappling should be used for in the self defense context. i train in muay thai and bjj, not for sport but for empty handed self defense. if i was to get into a confrontation that i cant escape, im going to try my hardest to avoid going to the ground. im not going to be matt hueghs and attempt amazing takedowns. im going to strike and move until i can escape. however, not everything always goes they way i plan. so mabye the dude im fighting gets past my punches and tackles me and gets me in a headlock. this is when my grappling is going to come in. to escape shitty positions forced on my by others.

[Uke]

BoarSpear

I think any idiot who voluntarily embraces someone with no way to know if that person is armed is a freakin' mental midget. Clear enough?

I said it in the first post on this topic. You've said it above. I guess understanding that principle is like trying to read Aramaic to some of these guys. This is how you can tell that the sum of their fighting experience is a pushing match at the 7-11. Its gonna take someone to stick em' a few times before they get the gist of it. Not surprising. Most people only come to the blade after its been brought to them the hard way.

[BoarSpear]

yeah, i agree. that still doesnt mean you cant find yourself on the ground all of a sudden during fight.

Hey I've slipped during a fight before, anyone whose ever been in one has. Slipping and being knocked to the ground do happen, but if thats the only the way I'm going to get there. I wont be using the shoot to attack, and neither will anyone else with common sense. I do practice ground work (30 plus years of JJJ) with the intent to regain standing ASAP. I have seen multiple dumbassed kids out of high school and college hospitalized by a soldier in a bar fight or street fights...not once did a see the wrestling and grappling work in real fight...so much for the hype.

[Uke]

EmptyneSs

and using grappling for self defense doesnt mean fishing for takedowns on your aggressors, the way a moron like you thinks they would. grappling is used for sd when you find yourself reluctantly pinned to the ground, or when an aggressor is trying to physically overpower you.

So when someone comes up and bitchslaps you in the face emptyness, you're going to do what? A belly to belly suplex? A flying armbar? I got it .. a rolling leglock?

Tell me, how is ground grappling supposed to be used? Tell me how you will avoid having to charge to get in to grapple. Tell us all how you will magically close the distance with no resistance. You're arguments are pathetic at best. We've all agreed dozens of times that ground grappling is best used to escape holds, chokes and return to your feet, so what are bringing to the debate that hasn't already been said? Or are you just a waste of time like jubaji?

[EmptyneSs]

I think any idiot who voluntarily embraces someone with no way to know if that person is armed is a freakin' mental midget. Clear enough?

yeah, i agree. that still doesnt mean you cant find yourself on the ground all of a sudden during fight.

[EmptyneSs]

I myself have stated above that ground grappling's value lies in escaping holds, chokes and getting to your feet. Somehow you missed that, then went on to call me a moron, and then paraphrase what I wrote. If you can find a post where I say that you should ignore any range of combat, post it and I will immediately admit that I am in error.

You won't, because I haven't, but because of your obvious lack of reading ability, you've been an asshole AND agreed with me at the same time.

You're talented!

hey man, its good to know if i wanted to be a scam artist one day, theres people like you who will buy whatever garbage i can market to them.

the only fkcing way to truly negate grappling is to be good at grappling. you are assuming you are going to be able to prevent going to the ground in every confrontation with a weapon.

[BoarSpear]

so you dont agree? you think takedowns are good for sd situations?

I think any idiot who voluntarily embraces someone with no way to know if that person is armed is a freakin' mental midget. Clear enough?

[EmptyneSs]

Really? And so whats the big deal about jubajis undefensible shot then? if no idiot is going to use it?

so you dont agree? you think takedowns are good for sd situations?

[BoarSpear]

and using grappling for self defense doesnt mean fishing for takedowns on your aggressors, the way a moron like you thinks they would. grappling is used for sd when you find yourself reluctantly pinned to the ground, or when an aggressor is trying to physically overpower you.

Really? And so whats the big deal about jubajis undefensible shot then? if no idiot is going to use it?

[EmptyneSs]

anti-grapple...isn't that something you can carry that's hard, shiny, and sharp???

thats if you assume that you never going to trip, get knocked down, or tackled from behind in a fight.

[jubaji]

Who ever said that anti-grappling was simply more grappling?

Its not "more grappling" its less than half-grappling. Its fantasy-boy bullshit slung by snake-oil merchants playing on the insecurities of little punks like you who realize you have no hope of defending yourself when you inevitably find yourself in need to but are too lazy or fearful to actually do something realistic about it.

[Uke]

isnt "anti grappling" some bs that emin boztep tried to get rich off when the bjj craze made him insecure because he didnt know any grappling himself despite training for years?

and its true, the the only real "anti grappling" is knowing how to grapple yourself.

bjj is indeed good for self defense. shit, there are so many people in martial arts who have trained for years and have high ranks, and still wouldnt know how to get some douche off who is sitting on their chest

im not a bjj or mma jockey, but knowing grappling is an important part of martial arts. ignoring an entire range of combat is unwise.

and using grappling for self defense doesnt mean fishing for takedowns on your aggressors, the way a moron like you thinks they would. grappling is used for sd when you find yourself reluctantly pinned to the ground, or when an aggressor is trying to physically overpower you.

what kind of martial artist are you if you cant get out of a basic headlock, or escape from some asshole sitting on top of you?

I myself have stated above that ground grappling's value lies in escaping holds, chokes and getting to your feet. Somehow you missed that, then went on to call me a moron, and then paraphrase what I wrote. If you can find a post where I say that you should ignore any range of combat, post it and I will immediately admit that I am in error.

You won't, because I haven't, but because of your obvious lack of reading ability, you've been an asshole AND agreed with me at the same time.

You're talented!

[Garland]

anti-grapple...isn't that something you can carry that's hard, shiny, and sharp???