Anti-Grappling

[Uke]

That's right. "Anti-grappling" doesn't exist. The only way to effectively hope to deal with grappling is to learn to grapple. There is no "anti" to it. There are no shortcuts or secrets to getting around it. You don't learn to counter-punch by making up some foolish "anti-punch". The same applies.

The fact that you refer to anti grappling as a "shortcut" means that either you skimmed through the first post or your reading ability is impaired. There is no shortcut in anti-grappling. Anti-grappling is what it is: The range geared towards preventing ground grappling situations. No laying in your guard for minutes upon minutes waiting for your would-be attacker to make a mistake. No scooting for a better position to go for a submission hold. Anti-grappling goes right to the heart of the matter and let's you know that the ground is the most dangerous place you can be in a fight because you limit your tools and mobility.

Now with that said, I'm not going to debate with you about the existence of anti-grappling. If you say that it does not exist, then in your limited mind it does not have to. But for others who might not be as confined in their thoughts as you clearly are, there are resources for them to learn more. Simply go to google and type in "anti grappling". Its as simple as that.

I do agree with you that in order to be a proficient ground grappler you have to learn to grapple. There are no shortcuts. But this is not the sports forum and no one here wants to learn to lay on their backs while they get stabbed to death. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The value of BJJ is in learning how to reverse holds and escape chokes, and learning the fastest way to get back to your feet. Anti grappling is that philosophy put into practice.

[jubaji]

A blade works well. So does empty hand methods. Even a simple sprawl works.

No, none of those "work" all by themselves like a magic talisman. I'd venture to guess that no matter how many times a loser like you tried to sprawl out against a real shot, you'd end up on your sorry ass every time. etc, etc, etc

[jubaji]

lead paint in the house?

"Anti-grappling" or more appropriately "antiground-grappling" fits in perfectly. It negates ground grappling attempts and gives a man room to strike and return to his feet. .

Fool-hardy fantasy by lazy losers who don't want to be bothered to actually gain the skills needed to actually accomplish that end.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

If you think a good grappler(who is most likely a decent striker too) is just going to "bumrush" head first kamakazi style into your legs youre mistaken. The 'grappler' is going to set you up with strikes and either clinch with you up top controling both your arms/head/torso, or, theyre are going to properly 'shoot' in and pick you and slam you and then finish with quick strikes. But, thats only if you havent taken out your knife before the 'grappler' even clinched with you. Good luck trying to draw it while being wrapped up(and picked up) and then controlled from the top. If you think can just do a "dual thump press eye gouge" to Anti-grapple a grappler(who's not just a grappler) then youre wrong. A gun or a knife will definetly do the trick though.

[jubaji]

If you're gonna be young and stupid, at least be quiet.

And its for that specific reason why the standup/striking arts neglected to train for ground jujitsu. Everyone was in agreement that no thinking man would rush into a fight head first, taking blow after blow just to get a clinch. Few believed that anyone would be that foolish. And it still stands true today. No one is going to do the bullrush/shoot-in during a real fight.

Kid, you need to shut up before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already do.

[jubaji]

Seriously, how stupid can you be?

When you watch MMA/BJJ, there's a kamikaze quality to the way they rush in with disregard. .

Yeah, way to demonstrate your complete and utter ignorance.

[BoarSpear]

But if it isn't empty hand, a blade, a brick, a metal pipe ... anything can end a charge/shoot-in. And with today's population carrying weapons like folders, it would be foolish to try.

I seem to remember a flashlight putting an end to a wrestler who brought it into the fight with him here locally not that long ago. If you mistake sd for grabbass thats your problem aint it? Empty handed is the WEAKEST position from which to play SD, those who chose to specialize in empty hand for SD dont live in reality.

[Uke]

A blade works well. So does empty hand methods. Even a simple sprawl works. The point is that anti-grappling is a growing movement because people are seeing the folly of grappling with a grappler in a situation where your life is on the line.

People are waking up and seeing that laying on your back is not the place to be in a fight. People are realizing that you can put the other man on the ground, kick his groin and then stomp his jaw, and then restrain him or even cripple him so that can't give chase. And that wouldn't be classified as ground fighting just because your victim is laid out while you work on him.

But if it isn't empty hand, a blade, a brick, a metal pipe ... anything can end a charge/shoot-in. And with today's population carrying weapons like folders, it would be foolish to try.

[jubaji]

How unbelievably stupid can you be?

I mentioned this months ago, and I believe it was jubaji who said that it didn't exist. .

That's right. "Anti-grappling" doesn't exist. The only way to effectively hope to deal with grappling is to learn to grapple. There is no "anti" to it. There are no shortcuts or secrets to getting around it. You don't learn to counter-punch by making up some foolish "anti-punch". The same applies.

[BoarSpear]

Better yet a gun. It is not just anti-grappling but anti-striking and anti-stick/knife fighting.

I agree one hundred percent outside of 30 feet....when was the last time you were in a fight 30 feet awy from someone?

[bigboywasim]

Anti-grappling works!

All you need is a blade or two.

Better yet a gun. It is not just anti-grappling but anti-striking and anti-stick/knife fighting.

[BoarSpear]

Nice post Uke.

Damn I love it when the circus comes to town, now that the ringmaster has opened the show......





Send in the the clowns....

[aseepish]

Anti-grappling works!

All you need is a blade or two.

[Uke]

I had meant to do this months ago, but being that I don't frequent this site as much it had escaped my mind. I mentioned this months ago, and I believe it was jubaji who said that it didn't exist. Yet another telling testament to his knowledge and experience.

IMO, anti-grappling is the true, practical evolution of what the UFC has brought us. The UFC served to show all martial artists that there was a tremendous hole in the striking/stand up game. That is the legacy of the Gracie family and the true message that events like the UFC send.

As many of the topics here have indicated, MMA is and has never been more than a sporting event. But, what some SDA(Self Defense Artist) have had to consider because of the popularity and spread of MMA/BJJ is that there is a very good chance that you'd encounter a guy that may shoot in on you, and possibly even take you down. When you watch MMA/BJJ, there's a kamikaze quality to the way they rush in with disregard. No one trained even half way decently would ever attempt to shoot in unless he was absolutely certain that there could be no way any lethal force would be used. And unless its you fighting your brother or best friend, you can't know that. Ever.

And its for that specific reason why the standup/striking arts neglected to train for ground jujitsu. Everyone was in agreement that no thinking man would rush into a fight head first, taking blow after blow just to get a clinch. Few believed that anyone would be that foolish. And it still stands true today. No one is going to do the bullrush/shoot-in during a real fight that can produce weapons, unless they're fighting with bravado instead of intelligence. All those ineffective punches that land during a bullrush/shoot-in attempt would be a world of difference if those were knife thrusts instead. Everyone just assumed that no one would fight like that because the reality of weapons is just too prominent to be overlooked. So, the SD community's ground game withered and became overlooked because no one with sense would charge head on into a knife or brass knuckles. But still, there are those who have traded in common sense for blind loyalty and will still attempt to run forward kamikaze-style looking for a clinch. For that purpose, stand-up arts have been devising anti-grappling for many years.

In an effort to be well rounded AND practical, SDA's have included ground fighting, but only recently put the emphasis on preventing a ground bout, and defending fast in order to return to the feet. Anti-grappling has been adopted by several styles in an effort to stay practical yet prepared. It was first brought to my attention by the Wing Tsun community, but has since been developed by others. Being prepared was the attitude of every competent SD system, but previously many just never put the necessary emphasis on preventing the ground grappling situation.

Most schools just incorporated BJJ to teach students how to deal with BJJ the way BJJ players would have you do so. There's nothing innovative about that. And it teaches students to fight within the confines of BJJ on the ground. And that's ridiculous. If you watch 2 BJJ players grapple, it can take time and can be stalled. You don't have the luxury of time in a situation where someone is trying to kill/mug/rape you, and anyone with just a little sense knows that. While the Gracie family boasts of matches that have exceeded 3 hours, I'd reply "Why"? A fight is nothing more than a struggle as to who will bring about its conclusion fastest. So grappling for 3 hours and calling it a fight is pretty unreasonable.

"Anti-grappling" or more appropriately "antiground-grappling" fits in perfectly. It negates ground grappling attempts and gives a man room to strike and return to his feet. Grappling on the ground defeating those who used strikes was the validation of the UFC and events like it. The Gracies themselves have said from DAY 1 that BJJ was not meant to replace, but to compliment. The true compliment of newaza is learning how not to fall victim to it. Anti-grappling also includes methods of delivering effective strikes and kicks once you and your opponent are on the ground. Pretending that a fight cannot go to the ground is unrealistic, so they prepare for that with strikes as well.

Anti grappling is not just one system's way of negating ground grappling. It is a principle that teaches any SDA that staying on the ground in a potentially lethal altercation is a sure way to increase your chances of dying. Anti grappling methods increase your odds of survival by providing space and opportunity to regain your footing while still defending.

The true legacy of the Gracies was stated long ago by Rorion during the early UFC's. He said that their family opened the eyes of the world to the need for a comprehensive way to defend against Gracie Jujitsu. That is true. He also stated that the only way to defeat GJJ was with GJJ, which we've all seen to be untrue. Once people began understanding the mechanics of BJJ, BJJ players began losing with more frequency. The big advantage that BJJ held for so many years was that few had seen it, and even less had practiced it. Now that BJJ is widely practiced, it was just a matter of time before people began devising a way to counter it without having to roll along the ground.

To learn more about it, just google "anti grappling" and see just a few of the many systems that have adopted this principle.