Anti-Grappling

[treelizard]

Someone said chocolate!!!

[Tant01]

Chocolate!!!

I especially like chocolate ice cream. I have a mixer and in the summer I like to make some up. In this case, it doesn't really matter what flavor because you see, homemade ice cream is made with real cream and sugar and stuff. Therefore, it would kick ass even if it had no flavorings.


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Yup. We used to make icecream in the winter when ice was easy to harvest.

Is yours electric or a hand crank?

Hmmmm... Icecream!

[gregimotis]

LOL! She doesn't exist!

Funniest post in this entire thread. +1

[jubaji]

Auntie Grapple makes good apple pie.

LOL! She doesn't exist!

[Tom Yum]

I especially like chocolate ice cream. I have a mixer and in the summer I like to make some up. In this case, it doesn't really matter what flavor because you see, homemade ice cream is made with real cream and sugar and stuff. Therefore, it would kick ass even if it had no flavorings.

I'll bet you are a milkshake kind of girl also pie.

Anyone like spumoni? Personally i believe spumoni is icky.

Auntie Grapple makes good apple pie.

[gregimotis]

What flavor?

I especially like chocolate ice cream. I have a mixer and in the summer I like to make some up. In this case, it doesn't really matter what flavor because you see, homemade ice cream is made with real cream and sugar and stuff. Therefore, it would kick ass even if it had no flavorings.


I'll bet you are a milkshake kind of girl also pie.

Anyone like spumoni? Personally i believe spumoni is icky.

[jubaji]

reversing chokes and submissions and escaping the mount. Getting back to your feet using grappling, neck manipulations, punches, kicks, knees, elbows, hair pulling, biting, eye gouges, fishhooks, pressure points, headbutting and weapons is what anti-grappling is all about.

Is all that considered to be grappling?

The first 5 are, and the ones after that are likely to get you into more trouble if you try them in grappling range if you don't know what the hell you are doing there (which is exactly what shortcut fantasies will get you).

[jubaji]

man, what a dim bulb

Anyone who tells people that they must become a dedicated ground grappler in order to hone their tools to avoid the shot, the double and single leg takedown, and the sacrifice sweep

What you 'need' to do there is work on your takedowns (of course).

[Uke]

Back to the topic ....

Newaza is a reality, but the development and emphasis of newaza in jujitsu only came about once weapons were outlawed, making it safer for every moron who wanted to rush to clinch in actual combat. The only reason that people today thinks its okay to "shoot" in and clinch in a real fight with dangerous variables is because of the UFC.

Now before people here get in an uproar, I'm not saying that its impossible to win using that approach, or any approach for that matter as nothing is impossible. I am saying that it presents significantly more risk to your own health and safety to use methods that originate from sports and ideal situations. Why risk you life using newaza when the goal of SD is to minimize risk while you get home safe? I see newaza as a necessary evil that a man uses when he is in danger of losing the one thing that the Gracies know they must defeat in order to be effective: Footing

It isn't punches that they necessarily fear otherwise they could just fight on their feet from a tight clinch and win from there using tachiwaza. It isn't low kicks or knees that they necessarily fear because in today's NHB people have learned to raise the leg and smother and block knees. They fear a fighter with balance and footing because they know that 1)A man with footing has all of his striking tools available and 2)They know that until they break the man's balance and destroy his footing they can't begin to work their own game. If you don't believe me then just look at when a BJJ man is most cautious. He is most cautious as he approaches his standing opponent. He knows that this position is where he is weakest and his opponent is strongest. He proceeds very cautiously. Also, notice that once a BJJ player is on the ground he is comfortable enough to take all kinds of risks and attempt submissions and chokes because he is in his element. This is why it is extremely important to protect and maintain your footing. Its the one thing a ground grappler needs to get passed to put his plan in effect. With this knowledge you're supposed to damage them as much as you can while staying mindful of your balance and footing. That's just another part of awareness.

You learn enough ground grappling(newaza) to put you back in the driver's seat on your feet. Its not enough to just control your opponent. You must control the situation. You can't do that laying on the ground because you can't run, you lack the space to adequately defend weapons, and you definitely have no room or mobility to deal with those who've come to jump in and stomp you bloody.

Anyone who tells people that they must become a dedicated ground grappler in order to hone their tools to avoid the shoot, the double and single leg takedown, and the sacrifice sweep is really the guy selling you something. That's only 3 techniques you have to focus on defending. Is that supposed to take you years to become functional even though its not a fair fight?

The most time spent practicing newaza is focused on reversing chokes and submissions and escaping the mount. Getting back to your feet using grappling, neck manipulations, punches, kicks, knees, elbows, hair pulling, biting, eye gouges, fishhooks, pressure points, headbutting and weapons is what anti-grappling is all about.

Is all that considered to be grappling? Or is it using dirty tactics that are comprised of some grappling, striking and weapons to stay in or get back to your strongest and most effective position?

[Uke]

Oh, that's a terrible, terrible failure of a joke. Par for the course with you...

Sad part is I wasn't joking.

[Uke]

Sure thing HB. This topic may as well be called ANTI GRAVITY.

As long as there is this big mass under us called EARTH there will be gravity.

As long as there is GRAVITY there will be a need for newaza.

There will always be a need to know newaza. But if you're old, live on a farm and the worst threat you'll face is a crafty pig you're wrestling in order to hog-tie(hojo-jitsu) it then by all means put your energies into being competitive at newaza range. There's a need, and then there's a practical way to meet that need when there are no ideal conditions.

I'm actually fond of GRAVITY. It's been my friend for many years. It has always been there for me when it was time to slam some idiot on the deck.

I'm pretty sure that you didn't lay on top of them and roll around in the cow shit once you threw them either. There is a need for newaza and that was never in dispute. But I know and you know guys who go out there and pull guard or mount as OFFENSIVE maneuvers because that's what they've been trained to do.

They nowadays say that they wouldn't do that in real fights and that's why they have started muay thai, but the moment their opponent begins to land with frequency, what are they going to do? They're going to shoot in and attempt a take-down despite the fact that the guy has a knife he hasn't pulled yet to be noticed.

[jubaji]

Oh, that's a terrible, terrible failure of a joke. Par for the course with you...

[Uke]

Just like pUke! (psst! go ahead and sell it to him anyway, he'll buy anything)

I bet I could sell sweat from my balls as cologne at Macy's before you could get recognition for knowing something worthwhile, jubajackass.

[jubaji]

If you could sell anti gravity I might be in trouble. I wouldn't know up from down?

Just like pUke! (psst! go ahead and sell it to him anyway, he'll buy anything)

[Tant01]

This is a good subject; can someone please get the thread back on topic? ....

Sure thing HB. This topic may as well be called ANTI GRAVITY.

As long as there is this big mass under us called EARTH there will be gravity.

As long as there is GRAVITY there will be a need for newaza.

I'm actually fond of GRAVITY. It's been my friend for many years. It has always been there for me when it was time to slam some idiot on the deck.

If you could sell anti gravity I might be in trouble. I wouldn't know up from down?