Anti-Grappling

[treelizard]

BTW, I like ice cream.

What flavor?

[Uke]

This is a good subject; can someone please get the thread back on topic? For instance, how have wing chun practioners done in mma events? Not Just talking about the early UFC. Do they (wc) have a track record?

The only WC practitioner that I've ever seen or even heard of in NHB was David Levicki, and he didn't even display a good showing of stand up skills when he and his opponents were standing up. He was early UFC.

[gregimotis]

I like to check into this thread every week or so, just to see how it's going.





BTW, I like ice cream.

[Tant01]

Anybody here from the "School of Hard Knocks"

That would be me...

[Hardball]

Anybody here from the "School of Hard Knocks"

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Good for you! I did my Master's degree in linguistics.

i knew there was more beneath your jabs than meets the eye of the casual observer

[Hardball]

Yeah, they have not done well in MMA. . . .

Can you be more specific? Names, dates and fighters?

[jubaji]

sorry, i guess i should have warned everyone earlier, i'm an English major with concentrations in creative writing and linguistics

Good for you! I did my Master's degree in linguistics.

[medic06]

This is a good subject; can someone please get the thread back on topic? For instance, how have wing chun practioners done in mma events? Not Just talking about the early UFC. Do they (wc) have a track record?

Yeah, they have not done well in MMA. . . .

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Its the responsibility of the poster who intends to contribute on a topic to read what's been written so not to rehash the same point over and over again. Just because I'm willing to reply to your posts with some depth doesn't mean that I'm going to re-write every point and fact that's been introduced so far. I don't mean to sound rude at all, but it takes away from the discussion by having to go over and over the same point. I'm constantly put in the position of going over points that have been discussed because people jump in wherever they want to.

i agree that that does take away from any discussion. i read the entire thread before posting, but it's got pretty freakin' long so my apologies if some of the finer points got a little hazy

The term "antigrappling" isn't as important as what it represents. I intentionally keep that term because 1) I know its killing jubajackass. And 2) I'm not willing to alter terms or names for other people's comfort. You understand what's being discussed, and if you've read the topic like you should have in order to formulate an informed opinion, the term shouldn't play a role in your judgement either at this point.

no term is as important as what it represents. in fact, the term is subserviant to what it represents, or it ought to be, wars have been fought over men forgetting that.
words are meant only for communication, they are of no importance in and of themselves. if your word isn't concisely getting the point across, toss it out. it's not giving in to other people's "comfort", it just good communication.

You've made that clear before, which is why its silly for you to focus on the term rather than what the actual thing accomplishes.

sorry, i guess i should have warned everyone earlier, i'm an English major with concentrations in creative writing and linguistics, language means much more to me than to most

Furthermore The_Judo_Jibboo, the term is necessary because it isn't just grappling, nor is it just striking. It isn't just takedown defense as it also addresses how to get up and back to your feet in the event you're taken down. Anti-grappling is the method of negating newaza(ground) combat and all of its attempts to go there. You don't have to like the name because you've already stated that you agree with the focus and philosophy. And isn't the substance more important than the label you slap on it?

absolutely the substance is more important than the label, so again, why the attachment to a label? just say you're training a strategy and mindset to avoid the ground and get back to your feet in the event of going to the ground. a tad long winded, but i don't think anyone would argue with that for a street encounter, and you'd save yourself time in the long run by cutting the need for clarification. that'll be my last two cents/advice as far as debating terms goes, but remember that Nestor told Achilles that it is wise to take counsel, and look what happened when Achilles didn't listen. i don't want to see you and jubaji coming to blows and uh... grapples over this!

Great talking with ya as usual, The_Judo_Jibboo.

i enjoy the exchange myself, sir.

[Hardball]

This is a good subject; can someone please get the thread back on topic? For instance, how have wing chun practioners done in mma events? Not Just talking about the early UFC. Do they (wc) have a track record?

[medic06]

So are you, can you hit 10,000 by the end of the day?

[jubaji]

You're making great progress...

[medic06]

*hop*. . . . 6,054. . . .*hop*. . . .6,055. . . . .*hop*. . . .6,056. . . .*hop*. . . . .6,057. . . . . .

[jubaji]

You know the funny thing about all this is that even if I were making up anti-grappling, people would rather read and discuss 23 pages of that than read anything written by you.

Be careful, you'll hurt my feelings!