Which style/art/form am I looking for?

[kingoftheforest]

Humor me for a second... *ahem*
IMAGINE if you will... culpability, avoidance, awareness (not paranoia), and adherence to the human conduct code.

Most fights you will find yourself in are going to be power plays and machismo based social rituals that can be avoided or at least prevented from escalating by swallowing your ego and skulking off to lick your psychic wounds.

The second large cateogory will be your being on the other side of that scenario, with you being the agressor or posturing, etc to egg on the fight or put the other person in a position wherein they would lose face by decling to fight.

The third category is being in the wrong place at the wrong time...which can be avoided by simply staying out of the wrong places. If you get my drift.

The last category is the miscelaneous/unlikely category, which includes real assaults, muggings, third party defense situations, and other scenarios that happen to somebody perhaps once in their lifetime if they are unlucky, and perhaps significantly more if they put themselves in situations that make them more likely.

99.999999% of altercations can be avoided. That is why most members of our society feel it unnecessary to train in anything.

If you are NOT a member of law enforcement, a bouncer, an EMT, a soldier, a prison guard, somebody that has to work around the violently unstable, or another high-risk profession...(many of which have rules about when and how you can defend yourself) then what's the rush?

Why do you think that you could have your arteries slashed? ...or is your intent for lethal force more sinister...?

Please, sir...answer my question as to WHY you NEED "lethal force" options.

Golden assessment. This should be a sticky in the Urban Combatives forum.

[jubaji]

No Secret

(And Other Atrocities You Won't Read About In Your History Books).

Really? Braidboy needs to buy you some new history books then.

[jubaji]

Quite simple, The Japanese made a choice to ignore firearms, it ended up costing them dearly.

Someone else will have to ask 'it' what the hell that nonsense is supposed to be about.

[jubaji]

Only my stylist knows for sure.

That was actually pretty good.

[Tant01]

Well done!

That was actually pretty good.

...................................... Made me smile!

[kingoftheforest]

Thank you gentlemen.

[FLMKane]

Garland's right. Why do you need lethal force options? And Krav Maga looks good on video??? Everything looks good on video! Proven in combat? Says who, a KM guy?

Says the Palestinians on the receiving end.You really do need lethal force because people in certain places use it before you do. But lethal force requires a lot of force to pull of. Some of those really crazy strikes barely send the guy spluttering to the ground.The human body aint THAT delicate.

[PFSofPA]

You're confusing the need for lethal force with the effectiveness of Krav Maga. Your statement that it looks good on video was the issue, plus saying it was proven in combat. I wanted to know what your evidence was on these statements.

[kingoftheforest]

KM is used by the hot shit anti-terrorist group in the world. The experts who fight terrorism use it.

That's proof enough for most.

Now what a regular Joe 6 pack learns in a non-military class may be similar but not the same.

If you are an adult I think you should have a lethal force option, since the only real reason a grown man should be fighting is to protects his or someone else's life.

There is no other reason a grown mature intelligent human being should be fighting.


I think that's what G-man there was gettin' at with his long big word filled post.

You go G-man.

[PFSofPA]

Having trained KM for 3 and 1/2 years I believe I can speak with some knowledge. It is a combination of many arts Imi Lichtenstein developed to teach the Israeli Defense Forces in the 50's. His goal was to teach something that was combative, dynamic, brutal, and was most importantly...easily learned. It is not the be all to end all as you might think. However, I've trained KM on several occassions with Israeli instructors and I can tell you that it would be hard to find an equal when it comes to intensity, knowledge, and technique of the Israeli instructors. BUT, it is nothing new, different, or mysterious from any other of the traditional arts. Also, having transitioned from KM to JKD many years ago, I can testify that there are similarities and gross differences in the two. The key is to take what is useful and leave the rest as it has so often been said.

[PFSofPA]

I hate to compare, but since you asked, there are similarities. KM Kicking is made up of traditional "karate" type kicks. Empty hand is made up of western boxing with various elbow strikes, although not nearly as effective as Muay Thai. Emphasis on weapons defense and disarms including knives, guns, blunt instruments. Fun to train, more practical for armed forces and pretty much Fairbairn type stuff.

Overall, I think the glaring difference is that Krav Maga is linear whereas JKD Concepts is more circular from Wing Chun and zoning and sectoring from Filipino martial arts.

KM is straight-on linear fighting with emphasis on simultaneous block and strike, the thinking being that you take your opponent out of the immediate thought process of attacking you in a specific way thus shocking and interupting him allowing you immediate entry to overwhelm and annihilate.

There are similarities in some of the fighting methods but differences in how to get there.

[FLMKane]

You're confusing the need for lethal force with the effectiveness of Krav Maga.

Sorry I was trying to answer two questions at once. Got mixed up.

[FLMKane]

Since when was wing chun CIRCULAR!?

[PFSofPA]

Many hand movements are indeed circular. I over-generalized.

[TTEscrima]

Overall, I think the glaring difference is that Krav Maga is linear whereas JKD Concepts is more circular from Wing Chun

I've seen quite a bit of this coming from the PFS camp. And to make matters worse, there are instructors out there who claim Mike Brewer taught them WC. Unqualified people giving advice and lessons on systems they clearly don't comprehend is exactly how arts get bad reputations or become useless. WC isn't even close to circular and yet PFS guys are continuing to tell people it is, worse they believe the rest of their system became circular by practicing an art that's essentially linear, THAT can't be good for their understanding of the rest of Vunaks curriculum either.