street applicable brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

[mellow]

Are we done yet?

Not even close. There is just too much grey area when discussing what is 'street applicable'. Hell, you could make a strong argument on the street effectiveness of spitting tobacco juice

[TTEscrima]

I'm a cop, I don't swear by BJJ. The types of situations we face make BJJ generally impractical.

Indeed, I've never met an LEO who felt BJJ enhanced his chances for survival in the street or who believed it was worthy of using up the limited time for training H2H they receive. In fact they feel just the opposite, look up southnarc a well known LEO and trainer, is he a BJJ fan? Hardly.

Perhaps Mercop another respected LEO trainer (he is a SWAT officer/Ex Miltary police) is a bjj fan, wait no.... his motto is "You can't tap out on the street", he thinks people who promote it for the military/police are doing a disservice to them as well.

I also find it interesting that none of the LEO's we train, nor any of the ones on the two dedicated forums I'm on like BJJ either, yet Sag Lou's "cop friends are all swear by BJJ".


Oh well, when you compare all the opinions of the men who actually practiced the arts and do the job to Sag Lou's opinion (who has neither the training nor the experience) its clear who we should listen too.

Sag lou of course, apparently the years of practice and experience have muddied our view. Lou has no experience or training to confuse him, his opinions are fresh and new, he is keeping it real, we should respect his great effort to remain unencumbered with the anchors of training and experience.


On the point that the major proponents in this thread of BJJ for SD, the streets, LEO's and the military have ALL admitted they have no experience in the jobs nor do they study BJJ/GJJ, I'm putting them all back on ignore and moving on...I've had my fun.

Yes fun. Why else would take I them off ignore?

Obviously I'm only interested in their opinions on things they don't know shit about to make fun of them. The untrained chase all over the net to laugh at their "Bruce Downey", those of us with training in the arts in question come here to laugh at ours.

[jubaji]

Excrement makes no progress on his emotional issues

those of us with training in the arts in question come here to laugh at ours.

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[Sagacious Lu]

Indeed, I've never met an LEO who felt BJJ enhanced his chances for survival in the street or who believed it was worthy of using up the limited time for training H2H they receive.

That's because you only talk to people that agree with you.

[Tant01]

dribble..

That's because you only talk to people that agree with you.

One of my coworkers is a Marine Corps vet that did two tours in the gulf war.

His take on MCMAP (BJJ) is that it teaches you just enough to get yourself killed in a real fight...

Don't take my word on anything... I don't know shit. Don't believe anything TTE tells you either! Go FIGHT. Then come tell US what the F! works for you!

Good luck buddy.

[kingoftheforest]

One of my coworkers is a Marine Corps vet that did two tours in the gulf war.

His take on MCMAP (BJJ) is that it teaches you just enough to get yourself killed in a real fight...

Don't take my word on anything... I don't know shit. Don't believe anything TTE tells you either! Go FIGHT. Then come tell US what the F! works for you!

Good luck buddy.

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I think that deserves a 'Nuff said.

[jubaji]

Go FIGHT. Then come tell US what the F! works for you!

Yes, it would be good to hear of some real experiences.

[kingoftheforest]

Yes, it would be good to hear of some real experiences.

Yes real experiences.


You wanna hear a real fight story jubaji.

Here ya go.


I got up this morning and I went out to the front room in my house. I looked on my kitchen table and what do I see............

A #2 pencil. Can you believe that sh*t.

So, Me being powerful fast on my feet, I grabbed that big sum bitch sent him down on the table hard and then..........


I flicked one end of it.

[TTEscrima]

One of my coworkers is a Marine Corps vet that did two tours in the gulf war.

His take on MCMAP (BJJ) is that it teaches you just enough to get yourself killed in a real fight...

Don't take my word on anything... I don't know shit. Don't believe anything TTE tells you either! Go FIGHT. Then come tell US what the F! works for you!

Good luck buddy.

Well asking a Marine about military combatives is just stupid, he's been brainwashed!! He couldn't possibly know more about the usefulness of BJJ in combat than Sag Lou and Jubaji. You're comparing apples to pansies, and that ain't fair.

You're cheating by talking to people who train and live active lives!!

Go talk to some coach potatoes, bankers, English teachers and school kids for the real scoop on fighting.


LVL 1 training is 40 hours. This is the result of 40 hours of the current course based on GJJ this is the level of training 95% of our troops go to combat with, to call it sad and embarrassing is an understatement.

Keep in mind one of these two is the SGT teaching the class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y67OigDikHY&feature=PlayList&p=68DAD38F22F8D1D0

[Tant01]

Real? While I do not endorse or condone anything ILLEGAL I have averted at least a dozen potentially violent situations by simply BRANDISHING a weapon.

I also almost got killed at least twice by retaliation and escalation of force after BRANDISHING a weapon. In one particular event after I pulled a weapon and a group of men fled the scene they came back in a Buick and tried to run me over with it...
My judo isn't good enough to take on a Buick...

Running away is not a bad way to end a "REAL" fight...If it works, you win!

[jubaji]

Yes real experiences.


You wanna hear a real fight story jubaji.

Here ya go.


I got up this morning and I went out to the front room in my house. I looked on my kitchen table and what do I see............

A #2 pencil. Can you believe that sh*t.

So, Me being powerful fast on my feet, I grabbed that big sum bitch sent him down on the table hard and then..........


I flicked one end of it.

I guess that's as close as we'll ever get to anything that you've ever actually done. Or maybe that really is the extent of it.





Or is your badassery just too painful to recall? LOL!!!! That was a good one!

[jubaji]

Real? While I do not endorse or condone anything ILLEGAL I have averted at least a dozen potentially violent situations by simply BRANDISHING a weapon.

I also almost got killed at least twice by retaliation and escalation of force after BRANDISHING a weapon. In one particular event after I pulled a weapon and a group of men fled the scene they came back in a Buick and tried to run me over with it...
My judo isn't good enough to take on a Buick...

Running away is not a bad way to end a "REAL" fight...If it works, you win!

Well alright. Can't argue with any of that.

[jubaji]

You're cheating by talking to people who train and live active lives!!

Train with toys and have active imaginations at least (or at most I should say, judging by what has actually been done with all this badass SD as far as we know).

[Tant01]

Just a fellow farm hand...

Well asking a Marine about military combatives is just stupid, he's been brainwashed!! He couldn't possibly know more about the usefulness of BJJ in combat than Sag Lou and Jubaji. You're comparing apples to pansies, and that ain't fair.

You're cheating by talking to people who train and live active lives!!

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We're nothing but a couple of bullshitters, playing in the dirt and harvesting food... Killing time under the hot sun.

[TTEscrima]

I have averted at least a dozen potentially violent situations by simply BRANDISHING a weapon.

I also almost got killed at least twice by retaliation and escalation of force after BRANDISHING a weapon.

Been in that boat before, multiple times, had to follow a few jackasses to their trunk over the years too, gotta love it when they tell you " I'm going to the car to get...".

If I had a nickel for every genius who declared he was going to go get his weapon and come back.

I've even let a few off the ground only to have them make some ultra intelligent comment about coming back with friends or a weapon. I guess my mistake was not making sure the ref saw their tap.