street applicable brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

[kingoftheforest]

[QUOTE=Sagacious Lu;330312]

I've expressed a number of opinions.




Actually I've been attacking a liar with a second grade reading level (that's you btw, I know you get confused easily) for spouting bullshit based on games with rubber knives. Attacking isn't really the right word; what I do to you is more like taunting the monkeys at the zoo. Most of the soldiers and LEOs that I've talked to see a lot of usefulness in BJJ, wrestling, boxing, MT and so on. Then again they aren't trying to sell anything so they have no reason to lie.

The only person here selling anything, are you and jubaji trying to get everybody else to buy your brand of bullshit.

Yet both of you claim to have no experience in the art mentioned in this article, or the types of training anyone else in this thread has discussed.

Who's selling what?

[WildWest.]

[QUOTE=Sagacious Lu;330312]

Most of the soldiers and LEOs that I've talked to see a lot of usefulness in BJJ, wrestling, boxing, MT and so on.

And that's right. All those arts mentioned, among others, have a usefulness. But blindly relying on one art is dangerous and will get you in trouble. Good SD training will certainly incorporate the physical training of a "sport" MA mixed with the soft skills of an RBSD as well as scenario training involving weapons and multiple attackers.

It's just an opinion, but there doesn't need to be a "my art is better than your art for self defence" argument because if you have any brains, you'll vary your training and take out what you need or what works for you (and it has to work!!).

This is not a dig at anyone in particular too....

[Sagacious Lu]

And that's right. All those arts mentioned, among others, have a usefulness.
But blindly relying on one art is dangerous and will get you in trouble. Good SD training will certainly incorporate the physical training of a "sport" MA mixed with the soft skills of an RBSD as well as scenario training involving weapons and multiple attackers.

It's just an opinion, but there doesn't need to be a "my art is better than your art for self defence" argument because if you have any brains, you'll vary your training and take out what you need or what works for you (and it has to work!!).

This is not a dig at anyone in particular too....

I support this post.

[kingoftheforest]

I support this post.

You're either an athlete or an athletic supporter.

[jubaji]

Have you ever considered the fact that maybe people don't want to have to rehash an experience like that in their own mind again.


Maybe people don't enjoy going over how they f*cked another human being up.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! Oh yeah, that's it! LOL


The combination of this hilariously transparent evasion and the demand that your every word be taken as absolute authority is truly amusing.

[TTEscrima]

I don't practice BJJ

Then what the **** are you doing recommending it to people champ?

I began BJJ in 1992.

I've actually taken the fucking art, and been in fights, you've admitted that you have done neither....yeah your opinion is certainly one that bears consideration.

Your attempts to judge all BJJ based on a disgraceful set of DVDs is pathetic.

You're a pathetic little simpering wannabe who can't separate reality from your fantasy world skippy.

You're actually stating I'm basing all my posts dismissing GJJ/BJJ for SD since Mar 2008 on a DVD that came out in the last month or so?

Need I post conversations WITH YOU from before the damn disc was released? You skippy are an idiot who spouts whatever sounds good to you at the moment, regardless of how freaking stupid it is.

You're either the biggest moron in the history of the world, or as usual you're so uniformed you don't even know what you've posted.

And yes, you are entitled to your opinion, although you should have a disclaimer in your sig line.

Have you seen the commercials that begin with "I'm not a Doctor or a lawyer, but if..."?

Well, all your post on SD, BJJ, Military combatives and police work ought to begin in a similar fashion.

"Hello, I'm Sag lou, I've never been in a fight, I've never been in the military or worked in law enforcement and I've never taken BJJ/GJJ or any of the other arts I'm going to recommend to you for self defense (nor any of the ones I dismiss for that matter)...but if you want my opinion..."

[jubaji]

I'm a cop, I don't swear by BJJ. The types of situations we face make BJJ generally impractical. Remember, we are carrying OC spray, asps, side handle batons, tasers, glocks. I have to think of weapon retention. Getting too close to an offender and rolling on the ground with him gives him access to my weapons. Or gives his mate a chance to grab them, or club me, or stab me.

But that's not to say BJJ doesn't contribute anything to fighting and there is nothing wrong with good hard physical training....it's essential! Like everything there are limitations. I like what I've trained in, but it's not perfect and I push myself to develop/enhance new skills and constantly maintain physical conditioning.

The absolute best skill that I have learnt though is de-escalation. The best fight is the one that never happened. Your ego can be your biggest downfall.

In saying all that however, I'm enjoying the pissing contest on this thread!

Don't ruin it by being reasonable!

[jubaji]

I've actually taken the fucking art, and been in fights

Great, tell us about one.

[kingoftheforest]

and the demand that your every word be taken as absolute authority is truly amusing.

Could you quote where I make this demand, or provide a link.

Oh this another one of your fantasies.

[TTEscrima]

Could you quote where I make this demand, or provide a link.

Oh this another one of your fantasies.

Hey dude you have not done the research jubaji has. Until you train like he does and slap around pencils on your desk to test your SD techniques you aren't qualified to discuss SD with him.

Remember he doesn't actually study BJJ either (like the majority of the athletic supporters here championing its effectiveness), so you're trying to base your observations on the arts interaction with people and jubaji bases his observations on batting pencils around on his desk.

Place a pencil on a table and 'hit' (if that word makes you happier) one end of it. What happens to the other end? I didn't make up physics, honest.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/chinese-martial-arts/32216-sriking-take-down-7.html#post321695

[jubaji]

Could you quote where I make this demand, or provide a link.

This is the sum total of Excrement's attitude since he first arrived here. I'm holding you guilty by association. Sorry .

[jubaji]

he doesn't actually study BJJ

No I do not.




And the link you provided was to a discussion that centered (in part) around takedowns, a subject you have - at most - a tiny fraction of the knowledge and experience that I do. Given your glaring emotional issues, I imagine you find that extremely threatening to your tender little ego.

[Sagacious Lu]

Then what the **** are you doing recommending it to people champ?

I've trained with enough BJJ practitioners to respect the skills and attributes they've cultivated. I firmly believe that good fundamental grappling skills are very valuable, although I've never recommended BJJ over judo, sambo, wrestling or any other grappling style.

You're either an athlete or an athletic supporter.

Okay, but you're the one bashing sports so you must not think of yourself as an athlete, which means you just called yourself a jock strap. Hey, you'll get no argument from me on that count.

[Tant01]

getting old fast...

Are we done yet?

[jubaji]

I think that depends on the Ponytail Gang