Morality and Weapons

[TTEscrima]

screw the court man. id rather save my life first, then suck off johnny cochrane and beg him to cut a deal with the DA later.

Self defense is about decreasing your vulnerability, both of those toys increase your vulnerability without any benefit over a normal pen, they're marketing tools not SD tools. Anyone who can defend themselves with one of those could do it with any ink pen or marker.

[treelizard]

Great. I dare you to take your screwdrivers and pens and forks and deodorant sticks spend ten minutes in the neighborhood where I teach trying to break up gang initiations and then we'll talk.

take a look at the fred perrin pen. its for SD. the cap can be used as a punch dagger as well

http://www.edcknives.com/vcom/product_info.php?products_id=1105

cold steel sharkie is also made for self defense.....

http://www.coldsteel.com/91sp.html

you can also carry regular items that double as weapons. for example you could keep a decent sized screw driver in your desk, say you need it for something around the classroom or your desk lock gets stuck and u need to pry it open or something. there are plenty of items you can use as weapons that wont raise any suspicion.

flashlights
pencils/pens
screw drivers
hammers
deoderant sticks and spray cans
a fork for your lunch


get creative as you want. carry weapons at all times.

[treelizard]

Holy Cow, where do you teach?!

But I guess part of being trained in the MA is also knowing how not to fight...(I can't find any fault in not getting between fighting parties...any pet owner knows that's the best way to get bit by your own Fluffy...)

I break up boy fights all the time, it's the girls that scare me. They don't immediately stop fighting as soon as you walk over. I'd want at least one person per girl, two if possible.

[DickHardman]

Self defense is about decreasing your vulnerability, both of those toys increase your vulnerability without any benefit over a normal pen, they're marketing tools not SD tools. Anyone who can defend themselves with one of those could do it with any ink pen or marker.

actually they are reinforced to decrease the chance of them breaking on impact. i doubt your normal bic pen is anywhere as strong. plus, these pens arent that expensive, they are the same price as regular pens. so why not buy one specifically made not to break when you are using it to split open someones skull?? i mean i could probably defend myself just fine using a 16 sinker nail i pick up off the ground at work on my way to my car, should i not buy any knives or impact weapons in that case?

[TTEscrima]

actually they are reinforced to decrease the chance of them breaking on impact. i doubt your normal bic pen is anywhere as strong. plus, these pens arent that expensive, they are the same price as regular pens. so why not buy one specifically made not to break when you are using it to split open someones skull?? i mean i could probably defend myself just fine using a 16 sinker nail i pick up off the ground at work on my way to my car, should i not buy any knives or impact weapons in that case?

How much of pen sticks out of your hand when it's gripped like you would use it when striking with it? An inch? That's unlikely to break on a human and if it does it will just have a jagged edge for the next strike. Buying weapons is fine, just don't get caught up in the cool toy market.

[DickHardman]

Great. I dare you to take your screwdrivers and pens and forks and deodorant sticks spend ten minutes in the neighborhood where I teach trying to break up gang initiations and then we'll talk.

i didnt say walk around the neighborhood with them, they were suggestions for items that could be placed in your classroom that could double as last ditch weapon in case a student tried to harm you.

[DickHardman]

How much of pen sticks out of your hand when it's gripped like you would use it when striking with it? An inch? That's unlikely to break on a human and if it does it will just have a jagged edge for the next strike. Buying weapons is fine, just don't get caught up in the cool toy market.

what if it breaks and injures your hand??? now you have to fight off an attacker with a sliced up hand.

[treelizard]

i didnt say walk around the neighborhood with them, they were suggestions for items that could be placed in your classroom that could double as last ditch weapon in case a student tried to harm you.

I'm not worried about students trying to harm me. I'm worried about my students getting home safely. Now they want to change the schedule for high schools and middle schools because too many high school dropouts are blaming it on being late for their first class. Instead, we'll have 11-year old girls waiting for the bus in the winter when it's still dark out.

[GranFire]

I break up boy fights all the time, it's the girls that scare me. They don't immediately stop fighting as soon as you walk over. I'd want at least one person per girl, two if possible.

Aye, girls are scary...no bite inhibition...

in a transcendent way, of course...

[TTEscrima]

Of course, the whole concept of using a pen as a weapon (or for thinking of it before an engagement gets out of hand) has brought me some pretty serious criticism from some people...

Without details I can't really comment except to say perhaps they didn't understand your METT-T.

[treelizard]

Aye, girls are scary...no bite inhibition...

in a transcendent way, of course...

they are really vicious... guys are a lot quicker to get into fights but girls are harder to break up for some reason

[TTEscrima]

Just being playful...

It was the newer, more inhibitive acronym in that particular situation, though: METT-TC

The ever so critical C, that changes everything, too many variables and rules, you need a damned lawyer on hand at all times, at least they make great shields.

http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/view2/human_shield

[Tant01]

Mission, enemy, terrain, troops and time (civilians?)

You guys and your acronyms...

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[TTEscrima]

You guys and your acronyms...

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Mission, Enemy, Terrain and weather, Troops and equipment available and Time available

Or conflict profiling in plain English.

[treelizard]

Good luck and happy barbecuing.