Christians vs Atheist?

[jubaji]

No moral compass whatsoever. .

Correct.

Directly in violation of the faith involved? Ok, let's put that to the test-

Catholic doctrine states that the human component of the church may be faslifiable, but the word of God is divine, and therefore infallible. The pope is God's spokesperson on Earth, and therefore, as a mouthpeice of God, is infalible.

Do you really want to get into the nuts and bolts of Catholic doctrine? There are literally libraries full of texts analyzing all this. Suffice to say that the pope is only infallible when he is in fact acting as the spokesman for God. As a human, he is as fallible as anyone else and he'd be the first to tell you so. History bears this out. Simply put, killing people because they aren't Christian is in absolute and direct violation of Christian theology. Killing people because they aren't atheist is in no way shape or form a violation of atheism.

[BoarSpear]

plenty. but i also know of many christians who strive to help others, volunteer at homeless shelters, and genuinely strive to do good things.

Quite a few non Christians do the same thing....Christian churches locally closed their food programs to the homeless...the non believers (local bikers) still feed 'em though.

[BoarSpear]

they say they are christian, they say they believe in god, but their actions speak otherwise. leads me to believe that they too are far away from god.

Are you telling me Bush is a false Christian world leader?

[DickHardman]

Are you telling me Bush is a false Christian world leader?

yup. thats what im saying. he is an extremist.

[BoarSpear]

Excuse me? Reclaim the HOLYLAND? Kill the INFIDELS? Punish the HERETICS? Stone the ADULTERESS? Ever read the book of Joshua? Rape, murder, loot and pillage in the name of Yaweh?

[BoarSpear]

Bush is Bush, how can anyone speak for another about the beliefs they hold?

Uh he is a world leader who says atheists cant be patriots and shouldn't be citizens....THAT seems to speak for my beliefs and rights...When leaders allow their religions to START and cultivate wars then they are allowing their beliefs to influence their ability to do their job. When they endanger the lives and survival of a country for their own religious beliefs then the separation of church and state was a lie in the first place and the beliefs of a leader ARE relevant to his ability to do his job.

[jubaji]

Uh he is a world leader who says atheists cant be patriots and shouldn't be citizens.....

Now that is a lie.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

A philosophy or theorum is much different from an organized religion, or even a person's belief structure. A philosophy, say existentialism, has basic tenents and beliefs associated with it that do, in deed, attempt to explain the same abstract concepts that religion attempts to tackle. The difference is in the dogma, the rules, the pretense, the ceremony, etc etc etc.

dogma- a system of principles or tenets; a settled or established opinion, belief or principle.

if that's dogma, then the "basic tenets and beliefs associated with [a philosophy]" that you mentionned are really no different except in that the greater number of people buying into them makes them more resistant to change. the "rules" you mention stem from this and in effect, are part of the dogma itself. i'm not totally clear what you mean by pretense.
it seems a blurry line to me, that an old enough philosophy with enough followers is in essence indistinguishable from a religion. can you not imagine a Church of Existentialism? the problem seems to me to be the institutionalization, not the beliefs.

[BoarSpear]

As for separation between church and state, tell me again where that is in the constitution?

I never said it was...but since you seem to feel you have a point, its in the same place where it says you have a "right to fair trail" and the "right to privacy."

[BoarSpear]

seems you don't believe bush when ever he says anything else, why do you decide to believe he is a christian just because he says so?

So you agree you can't believe a single word out of the mouth of the president of the United States who may well be starting WW3...hmmm he claims to be a Christian but even that's in question...And you wonder why the rest of the world doesn't like us? We elected someone we cant trust to tell us his religion...He sure bases A lot of his spending on Christian values for a non Christian...So lemmie guess Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jim Baker, none of these men are really Christians either? What about the pastors who molest their congregation members? All the money from other church members paid to hush and hide this are they Christians? ...isnt the CHURCH even "Christian?" How convenient you don't claim ANY of the things, ACTIONS or people that DEFINE your religion as real...then you wonder why we object to people forcing it down our throats...

ACTIONS define groups, NOT their propaganda. Birds of a feather...Personally I'd remove myself and my financial support from ANY group that had a history of rape and child molestation while using torture and war to "spread the word."

[BoarSpear]

dogma- a system of principles or tenets; a settled or established opinion, belief or principle.

if that's dogma, then the "basic tenets and beliefs associated with [a philosophy]" that you mentionned are really no different except in that the greater number of people buying into them makes them more resistant to change. the "rules" you mention stem from this and in effect, are part of the dogma itself. i'm not totally clear what you mean by pretense.
it seems a blurry line to me, that an old enough philosophy with enough followers is in essence indistinguishable from a religion. can you not imagine a Church of Existentialism? the problem seems to me to be the institutionalization, not the beliefs.

This cracks me up...If I don't believe in the Great pumpkin and you do, what religion are those of us that don't believe in the great pumpkin again?

[Garland]

He's also a military man, maybe that's the problem, we can prove he was in the military.

Did you just say Bush, as in Bush Jr., was a military man?

[Tom Yum]

No moral compass whatsoever.

Directly in violation of the faith involved? Ok, let's put that to the test-

Catholic doctrine states that the human component of the church may be faslifiable, but the word of God is divine, and therefore infallible. The pope is God's spokesperson on Earth, and therefore, as a mouthpeice of God, is infalible.

Explain the Crusades, the Inquisition, and Pope Pius looking the other way during the Holocaust using that doctrine. All had the stamp of approval by the papacy, and therefore is done with God's consent.

Your logic is solid.

Man's word does not control God.

As men, we have strong control over our environments; we can play with natural laws and make them work for us now and then, still men are imperfect creatures and everything else under the sun is in God's hands.

That's all for now.

[Garland]

Simply put, killing people because they aren't Christian is in absolute and direct violation of Christian theology. Killing people because they aren't atheist is in no way shape or form a violation of atheism.

Ok, I agree with that. Atheism has no theology or doctrines. It is the simple belief that there is no god and no afterlife. Atheism is not a religion, has no doctrines, or rules, nor a standardized set of ethical guidelines to abide by.

[Garland]

Now that is a lie.

see post #6. That son of a bitch actually said it. I mean, come on...of all the stupid shit his son has said and done, why is it so hard to believe?

I mean, this is what our current president seems to think of the proletariat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-m5P3KDwU

...or is he just inarticulate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x5SRwFfgrQ