how old are you?

[Ghost]

In the UK on Sky satellite tv there is a channel called the fight network.
They show half naked japanese girls wrestle each other to pull each others clothes off and play with each others bits.

They have training in fighting but the main requirement is that they are hot.

In fact, im watching it right now, id like to think that this is what bruce meant when he talked about martial arts being formless.
This is what martial arts should be about.

[TTEscrima]

In the UK on Sky satellite tv there is a channel called the fight network.
They show half naked japanese girls wrestle each other to pull each others clothes off and play with each others bits.

They have training in fighting but the main requirement is that they are hot.

In fact, im watching it right now, id like to think that this is what bruce meant when he talked about martial arts being formless.

So you enjoy watching formless female wrestling? Formless women wrestling...what is that, Oprah vs Rosie? Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer watching women with form wrestling.

[jubaji]

lol ok but tell me if im too high or too low.

34

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Too low.

[jubaji]

We never said we didn't like the site, only the pretenders and nut hugging sycophants like you that loiter it 24/7.

So with you and the two hairdressers we have the triumvirate (also known as the Three Stooges) who you 'approve' of, and everyone else who just ruins the whole experience for you. Too fucking bad, pUke. GTFO if you don't like it.

[jubaji]

How many people have you stopped cold with your hook? If boxing tools are so formidable, explain to me why matches go for 12 rounds? Also explain that whenever boxer get into fights without gloves, they break their hands.

So would you walk up to someone who outweighed you by 70lbs and was 6 inches taller than you and try that? I doubt it.



Anyone dumb enough to think that a muay thai clinch is a safe place to be in a street fight deserves to get stabbed over and over again until they realize that it isn't the ring. I know scenarios don't exist like that here on Defend, but again, if your opponent was bigger and taller than you would you try it? I doubt it, because non-TMA-ists usually avoid the altercation all together if the guy is out of their so-called weight class. How's that for reality?



It's been a rarity because its possible that the TMA-ists can't fight where you live. That possibility is strong. And being an Army ranger/Navy Seal/Green Beret/etc doesn't add any twists to the plot. They have specific skill sets, and are not the unbeatable fighters that Hollywood depicts them as. They are just usually in better than average shape.

Here's a better question: Why is it that when we hear about MMA, boxers and Muay Thai fighters getting into altercations OUTSIDE of the ring, they usually wind up stabbed, shot, beaten unconscious or dead? What happened to the hook to the liver or jaw? Where was the "shield" that the muay thai clinch provides? You keep playing cards with that fair fight mentality and you'll wind of folding every time.

Not too long ago last year a student of a former instructor of mine was accosted. He was attacked and sliced, but he quickly regrouped and he stabbed or rather defended himself from the man who attacked him and proceeded to slice up or rather defend himself from the attacker's friends. He didn't use muay thai or boxing .. I can tell you that.

You may know what competition is .. and that's about all you'll learn in the ring or on a BJJ mat ... But you probably have no concept of what violence with intent is, and I feel safe in saying that because you write as if you actually believe that a hook or a muay thai clinch are fight enders, when in fact they rarely are. And then you went on to say that the clinch enables you to fight multiple opponents! ... which just let's me know right off the back you're dealing in pure fantasy.

An untrained house wife with a butcher knife intent on protecting her children from an intruder is more dangerous than a man with 2 or 3 years of training in ring sports. A man in prison with a shank who is intent on not getting gang raped is more dangerous than 2 or 3 C.O.s with clubs and body armor. My point is that intent is more powerful than any technique most times, and if you haven't trained yourself to survive the reality of being attacked with intent and end it quickly, then you're kidding yourself, pal. If think you are gonna learn that in a ring, then you're completely delusional, and nothing short of something horrible happening to you or your family will open your eyes.

I ain't wishing it on ya though.

Needless to say...

[Ghost]

So you enjoy watching formless female wrestling? Formless women wrestling...what is that, Oprah vs Rosie? Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer watching women with form wrestling.

LMAO, the fighting is formless! not the girls!

ah man what visions do you have in your head!

[Ghost]

38??????????????

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Too low.

[jubaji]

very close.

[jubaji]

LMAO, the fighting is formless! not the girls!

ah man what visions do you have in your head!

Don't get him started on his racism.

[Ghost]

very close.

39????????????????

[jubaji]

There ya go

[Ghost]

yay i got it!

There ya go

[Tom Yum]

How many people have you stopped cold with your hook? If boxing tools are so formidable, explain to me why matches go for 12 rounds? Also explain that whenever boxer get into fights without gloves, they break their hands. .

I can't say I'm an avid streetfighter, but I landed a hook against an individual (in a sparring environment, of course) with about 20 lbs on me - his eyes rolled back - and he started trembling backwards and that was with about 60% power and with gloves.

If it were a street fight, I would have thrown the same hook, used my palm heel instead of my first two knuckles and would have whipped all the way through the target. It would have knocked him out cold.

So would you walk up to someone who outweighed you by 70lbs and was 6 inches taller than you and try that? I doubt it..

You're right. I don't pick fights with gigantic individuals for fun. The guy would have a size and a huge strength advantage over me. I wouldn't think about using punches, since they'd probably just anger him even more and end up me getting squashed.

While being huge and strong are intimidating, I'd be more scared of well trained individuals with cold determination.

Anyone dumb enough to think that a muay thai clinch is a safe place to be in a street fight deserves to get stabbed over and over again until they realize that it isn't the ring. I know scenarios don't exist like that here on Defend, but again, if your opponent was bigger and taller than you would you try it? I doubt it, because non-TMA-ists usually avoid the altercation all together if the guy is out of their so-called weight class. How's that for reality? ..

The safest place is to not be in a fight.

I don't think anywhere I've ever said that ring fighting is the same as self-defense. If I have, point it out.

It's been a rarity because its possible that the TMA-ists can't fight where you live. That possibility is strong. And being an Army ranger/Navy Seal/Green Beret/etc doesn't add any twists to the plot. They have specific skill sets, and are not the unbeatable fighters that Hollywood depicts them as. They are just usually in better than average shape..

True. They're not bad shooters, either. Not to mention, highly adaptable. Operating in the desert for 24-48 hours non-stop, through various terrain takes more than being better than average shape too. Being able to hold a map steady with sea spray getting in there faces and quickly plot the shortest route to make an ambush and so on. Not to mention their individual specialties, too. I'd guess Boar is pretty good at "chemistry" and a guy like Mike is good at "Psychology." Still, they are human.

Here's a better question: Why is it that when we hear about MMA, boxers and Muay Thai fighters getting into altercations OUTSIDE of the ring, they usually wind up stabbed, shot, beaten unconscious or dead? What happened to the hook to the liver or jaw? Where was the "shield" that the muay thai clinch provides? You keep playing cards with that fair fight mentality and you'll wind of folding every time.

Not too long ago last year a student of a former instructor of mine was accosted. He was attacked and sliced, but he quickly regrouped and he stabbed or rather defended himself from the man who attacked him and proceeded to slice up or rather defend himself from the attacker's friends. He didn't use muay thai or boxing .. I can tell you that.

You may know what competition is .. and that's about all you'll learn in the ring or on a BJJ mat ... But you probably have no concept of what violence with intent is, and I feel safe in saying that because you write as if you actually believe that a hook or a muay thai clinch are fight enders, when in fact they rarely are. And then you went on to say that the clinch enables you to fight multiple opponents! ... which just let's me know right off the back you're dealing in pure fantasy.

An untrained house wife with a butcher knife intent on protecting her children from an intruder is more dangerous than a man with 2 or 3 years of training in ring sports. A man in prison with a shank who is intent on not getting gang raped is more dangerous than 2 or 3 C.O.s with clubs and body armor. My point is that intent is more powerful than any technique most times, and if you haven't trained yourself to survive the reality of being attacked with intent and end it quickly, then you're kidding yourself, pal. If think you are gonna learn that in a ring, then you're completely delusional, and nothing short of something horrible happening to you or your family will open your eyes.

I ain't wishing it on ya though.

All valid points. I agree.

[Tom Yum]

I believe that TMA's are certainly note worthy. Why? Because I've seen/studied/observed traditional martial artists who could put there art to work on the street, sometimes in the ring and even more importantly - in the battlefield.

More importantly, I've had my ass handed to me by traditional karate masters, judoka and even from exotic styles like pukulan tjimande. These guys were very skilled, mastered timing and had control beyond belief - and none of them looked anything like the athletic build you see in MMA. Take Paul Vunak for instance (I know, not TMA but not MMA) the man is slender and fit, not the most intimidating in terms of size or strength, but deadly.

Read the recent article about Pelligrini's Modern Hapkido being used by operatives working for USN ONI. As a former traditional Korean MAist, I was glad to see this article.

Here's a few survey-type threads or discussions that I thought were interesting or pertinent to TMA.

Gongfu used in real combat

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/chinese-martial-arts/27110-gong-fu-used-combat.html

Survey of Hwarangdo grappling/weapons

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/korean-martial-arts/23747-hwarangdo-takedown-video.html

Traditional Chinese Martial arts (2007)

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/chinese-martial-arts/25714-traditional-chinese-martial-arts.html

The Martial Arts of India

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/mixed-martial-arts-mma-bjj-forum/24591-martial-arts-india.html

Modern Full-contact Karate

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/japanese-martial-arts/19332-modern-full-contact-karate.html

Revitalization of TMAs (dated may 2005)

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/mixed-martial-arts-mma-bjj-forum/15636-revitalization-tma.html

Boxing & Traditional MAs

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/boxing-discussion-forum/19059-boxing-traditional-mas.html

MMA is certainly not the be all, end all of martial arts. If its served any purpose, its made us rethink what will or will not work in spontaneous, real-time environments. The tactics of the sport itself make for reliable empty-handed self defense for the average joe.

And whatever happend to Chrisdavis? I miss his contributions. As I remember, he was in a career transition and spent some time bouncing. His styles were internal chinese arts, shuajiao and aikido.

Did anyone actually read this response? lol

I've been posting about the merits of both TMA and MMA for a few years now (although I've been practicing for a few more years)

I thought the Hwarangdo knife and short-stick videos were interesting - def. addressing the need for not only defending against but using them.

[Tom Yum]

So you enjoy watching formless female wrestling? Formless women wrestling...what is that, Oprah vs Rosie? Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer watching women with form wrestling.

Oh dear god no!