Wing Chun or Wing Tsun?

[sherwinc]

Unfortunately, yes. This is seen in JKD alot. Mail order instructors and this is actually worse than McDojos

here in our place, in one of the malls of Iloilo City, Philippines...... there are crash course of Tai Chi Chuan in just 2 weeks, Tae Kwon Do in just 2 weeks.

i dont know if there is a certificate or not...... also Ai Ki Do and Penjak Silat

Note:
14 days training in each martial arts styles/systems in a sesion of 2 hours a day

haw haw haw haw

[IPON]

6 months of training???????

Unfortunately, yes. This is seen in JKD alot. Mail order instructors and this is actually worse than McDojos

[sherwinc]

I agree and no disrespect, nut no one is good enough after 6 moths of training to teach someone else especially starting a school. I think you hit the mark with JKD. If they were getting into JKD at the time it sounds like the marketing strategy "you can be an instructor in less than 6months" just send us a video and give us a % of your business.

6 months of training???????

example:
1. in Snake Style KungFu, you have to spent 240 years ( approximately 3 lives) in order to master that KungFu art.....

2. in WingChun KungFu, 3 years is enough to apply it in combat..... but you have to practice that art lifetime in order to master it......

KungFu is a way of life and a lifetime journey to practice it.......

[IPON]

They even asked me to open my own club after merely 6 months of training but, of course, they would get the money...... Now tell me that is responsible behaviour?

I agree and no disrespect, but no one is good enough after 6 moths of training to teach someone else especially starting a school. I think you hit the mark with JKD. If they were getting into JKD at the time it sounds like the marketing strategy "you can be an instructor in less than 6months" just send us a video and give us a % of your business.

[Thai Bri]

Emma - its difficult to say as I have no idea how good either of you are. But if a good Judoka gets close in on just about any mainstream martial artist, then Judo is odds on to win the day. It isn't that different to BJJ, and look what happened before the birth of modern MMA. Most mainstream striking arts (which WC definately is) have no real answer to grappling, beyond the ridiculous and totally unproven "anti grappling" that emerged after the Gracie's handed everyone their rear ends.


John, thanks for the email mate. Actually I think you have good reasons for learning Wing Chun. It IS more intellectually challenging than Thai Boxing and does have more for the brain to think about. Also you enjoy it, so what better reason is there than that?

But my reasons for training revolve around keeping both myself and my loved ones alive if they are under a serious threat from attackers. Luckily I do enjoy my training also, but that is secondary to the main reason. I also love the health and fitness benefits too (which I concede that you can get through WC too).

I was in the Sam Kwok organisation, and my instructors were Dave Carnell and another guy called Kevin. I do not remember his surname. I do accept that this was 20 years ago..... but at that time they were very arrogant men who vastly over rated their own abilities and had a poor attitude to their students. None of whom, by the way, could knock the skin off a rice pudding. They even asked me to open my own club after merely 6 months of training but, of course, they would get the money...... Now tell me that is responsible behaviour?

I could tell by the change in direction that they were getting more into JKD as time went on which is, of course, more testanment to the view that WC is lacking.

For the record, I ge no perverse pleasure from slating martial arts. I think it is tragic that they have been diluted to such appalling levels of effectiveness, and I wish to help newer people avoid wasting the time that I wasted.

ps - No, the passing of time does not enable WC practitioners to beat boxers....... unless you have any actual credible evidence? And corroborated evidence too, not the "secret challenges" variety.

[LittleDemon]

ummmmmmm no my friend who does judo is going to train with me to her it will be sparring of course and swap each others knowledge of the martial arts because its cheaper that way and we can both agree to disagree lol also i have a friend who does aikido and someone else whop does muay thai and kickboxing so yeah i get a lot of different ideas from my friends!

[IPON]

First I would start a new thread with your question

Second, its a silly question "judo WT" vs "judo" and you only know WT. So I geuss your friend will be fighting against herself

[jms137]

thread hijack

HEY! dont hijack the thread. start a new Wing Chun vs Judo Thread. this thread turned into a wing chun vs boxing one, then more specifically a world vs Thai Bri one!

seriously. start a new thread it is an interesting topic. and for one i cant be bothered to join your other usergroup. there are some puzzling things in your wing tsun photos that i would like to talk about, too.

john

[LittleDemon]

Wing Tsun vs Judo

I want to know experiences, injuries, training partners the whole lot on your sparring experiences and dilemas especially techniques.
Im beginning to spar train witha freind of mine who does judo Wing Tsun vs Judo, she is probably going to kick my ass but ill keep my write about me and keep an open mind.

so come on guys give me the low down on everything! what to expect how to aniticipate, how long to wait for strikes 2-3 seconds? how i will probably feel. angry? scared? i ahve a pretty big pain threshold so i guess scared dosent come into it :-p

Email me or post on web site

http://groups.msn.com/EmmaSelfDefense/homepage

[LittleDemon]

Hey guys i know its ben ages since i replied to the forum *bad Emma* basically the way i see it as long as your train your martial art the best you can and better then you have a better chance of winning fight situations but you also have to be able to control your fear and andrenaline.

Martial arts are all the same with different names!

[LittleDemon]

In the end all martial arts are the same just with different names they are all fighting styles of defence and offence.
It is better to learn to the best of your ability to be able to fight to win but that does not mean you need to put this to practice, so your training the knowledge without necissarily needing to use it but then when you do need to use it , it's there, your focused and your confident.
Before a fight starts you can tell if someones going to bottle out of it but stands their ground for their own street cred which is a really dumb thing to do *because they hope you'll see they lost their bottle and will let them off*.
at the end of the day whoever wins , wins and the other person loses, you can'not have 2 sides of a coin the same without cheating!

[sherwinc]

I would like to add:
- my experiences showed that WC is a good system, but just needs a long time to master and must be taught with the same emphasis on full contact sparring.
- i think wc 'can' be as or MORE effective than b/MT if done right.

I plan to go back into WC myself. "why?" i hear you ask...

because I believe that WC is still a good system. it is very effective when trained/implemented right (as when my friend decked me). i am convinced that with 1 year MT i would be more street effective than 1 year WC, but I feel that as years (yes, years) pass the WC will overtake.

john

Very True...... cause you can learn non-kungfu arts in just 6months......

but WingChun it could be learned totally 3 years by an average student (stricktly 1,098 days) and those days that you did not practice wingchun is not included in 1,098 days.....

but if you reach 3 years of practicing wingchun - i dont think you must stop learning kungfu...... learning kungfu is a lifetime process - a way of life......

Note:
will you be able to believe me if i say that WINGCHUN'S PUNCH IS A VERY POWERFUL PUNCH COMPARE TO WESTERN BOXING????????

how?????

want a clue??????

one of the secret to a powerful punch is your stepping and stance while delivering a kungfu punch.....

[jms137]

thai bri....

hi bri.

i posted a post on a different site about the boxing vs wing chun thing.

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11159&page=9&pp=15

it's the long post near the bottom. I do not intend to say what you say is rubbish, I just am coming from the other side of things so you may find my story interesting.

I really appreciate a lot of your comments:
-i personally think most boxer/mt will destroy average WC person. this is cos average WC club is a few hours of punching air and playing the little touching arm games. the boxing clubs i have been to are hardcore bag work and sparring.
- i think there are 10x more charlatans teaching WC or any 'classical' kung fu, karate, etc style than teach boxing or MT. it is really easy to spot a bad boxing teacher.
- i LOVE boxing and MT and think both are fantastic.

I would like to add:
- my experiences showed that WC is a good system, but just needs a long time to master and must be taught with the same emphasis on full contact sparring.
- i think wc 'can' be as or MORE effective than b/MT if done right.

I plan to go back into WC myself. "why?" i hear you ask...

because I believe that WC is still a good system. it is very effective when trained/implemented right (as when my friend decked me). i am convinced that with 1 year MT i would be more street effective than 1 year WC, but I feel that as years (yes, years) pass the WC will overtake.
Also, i personally enjoy the art of learning WC. I like the science of the system. i like learning all the complex principles and the forms and i like to learn the chi sao drills. it is great fun. It will challenge me intellectually more than MT/b and hold my interest more long term. Also, I have two good friends that are into it and we will be able to train together.

You will be relieved to know that I do not intend to stick around long to any club that does not do heavy sparring, either. Because, yes, I believe without heavy or full contact sparring it is all a lot of fancy looking ideas.

I do think the punches are lame, as well, but that does not bother me because the eye/throat strikes are very effective. And, oh yeah, I will also probably start training some groundfighting, too.

Bri lastly I must say that I think a lot of what you say is very valid, but you do seem to take unnatural delight from trashing WC. i personally think TKD is a pile of poo (I did it for one year) but I would think it unnecessary to jump in at every TKD post and tell all the TKD people their system sucks. It is almost like you are not just stating an opinion, but are taking real delight in doing so.

happy sparring,
john

[ddrive]

Thai Bri.... just a simple question...

I know that you are not fond of WC artist (and I admit some of them are pretty arrogant), but why are you wasting so much energy bad mouthing the discipline? Use that energy promoting disciplines that you have benefitted from and go from there that's all!

[Hot Sauce]

Zegna,

I am NOT claiming that all the special police forces in sweden train WT as their unarmed combat system, but I do know that the there is a special WT and Escrima "school" in Stockholm that probably train police officers, not all of course since hand to hand combat isn't their top priority. The school name is "Stockholmspolisens Escrima/WT sektion".

BTW I don't think the riot squads need to know how to fight unarmed, they have their "sticks" and shields, here in Sweden anyway.

Yes I agree, WT is very "small" here in Sweden and I have never said anything that contradicts that.