Wing Chun or Wing Tsun?

[jubaji]

We get a pup that weekend (awwwww) and I'm helping settle him in!

What kind?

[jubaji]

I'll stand behind my words, but not your ignorant interpretation of them. A racist comment would be something like: "All Chinese people are deceptive, you can't trust them" This isn't a new concept, the need to be sneaky. It isn't derogatory, and it isn't rocket science to understand,

You are either too much of a coward to stand behind your words (the meaning of which is very clear, your dissembling not withstanding) or you are a complete moron. Which is it?

[Michael Maison]

trying........sigh

Boy, you just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. You can say racist shit, or you can not. Whichever you choose, you need to stand behind your words. That's how it works.

I'll stand behind my words, but not your ignorant interpretation of them. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another, and seeks to oppress another group of people based upon those misconceptions. A racist comment would be something like: "All Chinese people are deceptive, you can't trust them" But my words, in context, were to characterize the Chinese as a culture of people who are secretive with the fundamental objective of not allowing their artform to be exposed to the lay-public. In other words they are discriminating of who is allowed to be privy to the "secrets" of their MA. This characteristic had survival value during the reign of Manchurians who were very oppressive to the native Chinese at the time. Chinese developed a very clever way to conceal the secrets of their MA due to these needs. They are sneaky in that regard, according to William Cheung and others I know who are familiar with their culture.

This isn't a new concept, the need to be sneaky. It isn't derogatory, and it isn't rocket science to understand, but your narrow-mind just won't permit it.

Somewhere, someone must have exercised some prejudice or bigotry toward you, because your mind doesn't seem to permit any other interpretation here. That's costly, because you limit yourself and are demonstrating the perspectives of an incomplete thinker.

If the only tool you have to problem solve and rationalize is a hammer (crying bigotry at everything you perceive), everything becomes a nail.


Open your mind.

[VTGreg]

Hi Thai,

Sorry you can't make Jesse's seminar, but I understand about having a new puppy. Concerning Nino and his statement, I was surprised to hear that he said that he hadn't been in any fights because I know of a few he'd been in (maybe he said that to the magazine for a specific reason). I also know that he was in a few gon sau's that were arranged and attended by WSL himself, before WSL stopped his guys 'officially' partaking in them altogether. For those interested in some nice and effective VT, might I suggest looking up Michael Louison in South London? He is my Sihing from the Basement, who went off to HK to train directly under Ng Chun Hong, a police detective, who was one of WSL's main guys, and who had himself previously trained under Lok Yiu and Jiu Wan. Michael is Ng Chun Hong's official UK rep.

[jubaji]

doaho no kodomo

The concept of free speech and what it means. Just don't let your fucked-up attitude interfere with me or my life, need I resprt tp alittle mayhem upon your return...

Boy, you just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. You can say racist shit, or you can not. Whichever you choose, you need to stand behind your words. That's how it works.

[Michael Maison]

And what you will never learn is:

What you need to learn, shit-for-brains, is to choose your words more carefully or keep your trap shut. Clintonesque attempts at redefining reality to suit your convenience won't work.

The concept of free speech and what it means. When the dozens of Chinese don't get insulted by this but you do, we can all agree who has the personal problem. Just don't let your fucked-up attitude interfere with me or my life, need I resprt tp alittle mayhem upon your return...

[jubaji]

Unless you develop an ability to cope with the small things in life, you're gonna have a tough life.
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I have no doubt that you are an expert at this type of coping, pee-wee.

[jubaji]

Again, you are WAY too thin-skinned dude. Unless you develop an ability to cope with the small things in life, you're gonna have a tough life.

Get a f-ing grip and quit being so neurotic.

What you need to learn, shit-for-brains, is to choose your words more carefully or keep your trap shut. Clintonesque attempts at redefining reality to suit your convenience won't work.

[Michael Maison]

Your problem

Again, you are WAY too thin-skinned dude. Unless you develop an ability to cope with the small things in life, you're gonna have a tough life.

Get a f-ing grip and quit being so neurotic.

[jubaji]

you were unable to see anything other than sneaky being negative. Certainly it can be, but in another, less defensive context, sneaky can be shrewd as well. That, my dear friend, should be construed as a positive.

So now you are resorting to transparent semantics to wiggle out of an indefensible position. "Sneaky" is not a positive term.


Idiot.

[Thai Bri]

Hi Greg.

Yes, I've heard of Nino Bernardo and the Basement. He was doing the rounds in the magazines about 15-20 years ago. Seemed likem a good guy and a hard trainer.

He lost a little credibility for me though when he admitted that he had never had a real fight. Not his fault I suppose, and maybe to his credit in a way. But there you go.

I won't be at the Glover seminar unofrtunately. We get a pup that weekend (awwwww) and I'm helping settle him in!

[VTGreg]

Thai Bri, it is unfortunate that you were not able to train in the WSL method of Ving Tsun. I trained in London under Nino Bernardo at a place called the "Basement". Although Nino no longer lives there his students still train and I can recommend that you see VT in a new light by checking out their classes if in London. I can give you their contacts if you would like.

Also, for those of you in England, be sure to attend Jesse Glover's seminar there next weekend (10th and 11th of July). You can find out details at www.spiritwingchun.com. I guarantee you that you will all walk away with harder punches and more!

[Michael Maison]

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umm ok everybody chill. can i just verify calling a person sneaky aint racist

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Calling a person sneaky would not be. Calling an entire race of people sneaky certainly is.

I disagree with your defiinition of racism, but am nonetheless quite familiar with it. The hypersensitive reaction you display defies reason, as through your impetuous response you were unable to see anything other than sneaky being negative. Certainly it can be, but in another, less defensive context, sneaky can be shrewd as well. That, my dear friend, should be construed as a positive.
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[Thai Bri]

Why get into a slagging match.

Why, for fun of course!

[jubaji]

umm ok everybody chill. can i just verify calling a person sneaky aint racist

Calling a person sneaky would not be. Calling an entire race of people sneaky certainly is.