Wing Chun or Wing Tsun?

[jubaji]

Ok, is anyone NOT a bouncer?

It is very important to note the WING CHUN IS NOT A SPORT.........

LOL, among other things...



It is interesting to note that if MA forums are to be believed there must be just about one bouncer to every patron at every bar in the world.

[Bigbadade]

Yes we do get trouble, occupational hazard!!!!!!! Wing Chun has ground techniques and grappling techniques and some holds locks etc. Although some instructors don't touch upon it so much. I use the moves a lot, and have done Jujitsu and MMA, I agree MMA is awesome and it too has elements that some students tend to stick to i.e someone who can punch will adopt striking someone who is more comfortable with submissions will grapple a lot more.

I would tend to say its realy all about taking from the various arts that suit you.

[Red Rum]

Are we talking about sport here or REAL combat. I have worked as a Door Supervisor and CP operative for many years and find WIng Chun, WIng Tsun, Ving Tsun and any other derivative of this art useful neigh invaluable! But that is mainly because it suits and benefited from a teacher who is not a charlatan!! It is very important to note the WING CHUN IS NOT A SPORT.........

Both. I cage fight, bare knuckle fight and employ a lot of wing chun in this. It has relative successes.

I agree that you can't use just wing chun on its own for cage matches etc. I have found that if you start off in wing chun and then train in BJJ/MT and bxing etc you will do very well in competitions. WC gives you a great base, good close quarter striking power, relaxation and sensitivity.

It's good to hear a bouncer/door supervisor advocating wing chun

Bouncers tend to know what they are talking about as they get trouble every night!!

[Bigbadade]

Are we talking about sport here or REAL combat. I have worked as a Door Supervisor and CP operative for many years and find WIng Chun, WIng Tsun, Ving Tsun and any other derivative of this art useful neigh invaluable! But that is mainly because it suits and benefited from a teacher who is not a charlatan!! It is very important to note the WING CHUN IS NOT A SPORT.........

[Red Rum]

Exactly!! Why would you want to be stuck in an art that rips you off and doesn't teach you anything. Or worse, makes you believe that you are awesome!!!

And I don't agree with you Rickster - it is a great feeling when people come up and say how good you are. Yes, I probably am vain but it is awesome when people tell me that I fought a good fight or when I hear people cheer in the crowd. Because overall, you are judged by your peers. And it does matter what they think. You sound like one of those fools who believe that beauty comes from within. And I have spent the past four years finding out thats not true


Rickster - my advice to you is paint, sculpt but stay away from martial arts.

[Thai Bri]

Hey! That's all very spiritual.

But to me geting "better" means getting more able to defend myself. And "improving within" isn't what the doctor ordered.

[Rickster]

True, in most cases. But if you are an attentive, fast learning student trapped in a rubbish martial art, how can you ever get better!!

You get better within your own

It isnt about proving your art or yourself....

It IS about IMPROVING within.

My wife and I paint and do sculptures, we do not do it to show how well we do, or to prove that we have the better....we do it for self....

[Red Rum]

Guys It ain't the Martial Art that determines a fighter it is the martial artist!

True, in most cases. But if you are an attentive, fast learning student trapped in a rubbish martial art, how can you ever get better!!

[Bigbadade]

Guys It ain't the Martial Art that determines a fighter it is the martial artist!

[LittleDemon]

Hiya

hey Everyone,

Wow, I didn't expect such a response to a topic aIstarted quite a while ago. I have trained Wing Tsun and Wing Chun. 7 years Wing tsun and 2 years Wing Chun.

In my own opinion I feel Wing Tsun is more theorised and is a very pretty art but for myself not very practical in the self defence area of things. Considering I could not defend myself against any of the Wing Chun when I began my training in 2005, I feel that Wing Tsun is easy but again un-practical where self defence is concerned.

I am very happy with my Wing Chun training now and how it is developing. I feel safer knowing I have strength and power to defend myself in a potentially life threatening situation. I hope this never occurs but I still feel more confident now then I ever have before in my ability as a martial artist.

Training 7 years of WT did lay down some foundations for me to develop with Wing Chun into a good balance between being soft and using forward energy where necissary. Wing Tsun was all soft thoug, and never trained me as good as I could have been taught.

Also the nicer thing in Wing Chun I have found is that everyone trains equal to everyone else, no one shows off or acts superior because they have a higher level of knowledge and experience.

All I can say is that WT for me is majorly watered down compared to the wing chun I now train which makes even the simplist of training methods increasingly challening and demanding. I even enjoy doing the forms more because there is more to them and I feel like im actually training something as apose to just learning a series of moves.

Everyone will have something to say im sure, im only expressing my own opinions having trained both sides of a martial art that is seemingly s very heated debateful subject.

L.D

[Red Rum]

There is a lot of mention of Leung Ting and William Cheung here. Both claim to be the best in the business, but I have been to their schools, I have decimated their students. I am not a political man and hate the politics of wing chun, but there are a few instructors out there who have taken wing chun and mad it a laughing stock. There are good instructors out there and there are good students of the art. All I would say is if you have a look at Leung Ting doing any wing chun, you will laugh or cry

[47MartialMan]

Isnt there a Vsing Tsun museum in Ohio?

[quietobserver]

quietobserver;

excuse me if I missed your intro, but you ream off all this material as if it is coming straight out of a book???

not at all. Like most people here, I have an inquisitive nature and so I spoke to people who had first hand knowledge of the inner workings of the WT system. My source on Leung Ting's early teacher was from his youngest sister. The sources regarding Keith Kernspecht was his wife.

[Troll Virus]

quietobserver;

excuse me if I missed your intro, but you ream off all this material as if it is coming straight out of a book???

[quietobserver]

as for Yip Man, he really wasn't a very good instructor and by the time he got old all those years of opium addiction had taken a toll on his body. His sons are out there claiming they were taught by their father but in actuality they never showed an interest in Wing Chun until after the Bruce Lee phenomenon when they failed in their respective professions. Both had gone into business for themselves and had failed. So there are watered down versions of Wing Chun because the teachers themselves did not take the time to dedicate their lives to their craft but only tried to capitalize from a marketing standpoint.