Wing Chun or Wing Tsun?

[Red Rum]

As it has been mentioned before, Thai Bri has based his wing chun experience on three teachers who taught the art too traditionally for him.

There are varying versions of wing chun out there from school to school

Some want to train very traditionally which involves less fighting and more about structure.

A lot of other federations (Kamon, James Sinclair, Alan Orr, for example) concentrate more on the practicalites of wing chun. If you use wing chun right and train against resisting opponents (that Jubajii and Thai Bri say we don't do), then it is devastating.

I have been to various schools and I always give them a chance. If a school doesn't train fighting then so be it. It isn't for me, but I respect the school's training methods, as long as it doesn't claim to be self defence or a fighting martial art

[tjwingchun]

ROFL!

This last few posts > the whole rest of this thread.

Been doing Wing Chun for 34 years and teaching it professionally for over 24, the whole debate about the various ways of spelling Wing Chun is pointless, I have said on many occasions that in MY view Wing Chun is simply the application of body mechanics applied to violent confrontations, it is the merits of the individual instructor that varies depending on their personal experience, ability and how many brain cells between their ears.

Since I started coming into forums a few years ago I have been amazed at the hatred of Wing Chun, I can understand the bitterness of Thai Bri as he had contact with immature instructors and I admnit when I started in 1983 my classes were not that indepth, but like anything as we grow we develop and so I only defend what I teach now, but make no apologies for going through the learning curve that any teacher goes through.

Now to the whole point of this reply, if you cannot laugh at yourself and your art then you should give up before you turn into a bitter and wrinkled old prune, sorry Thai Bri not getting at you again, lol.

[gregimotis]

I was on about your martial arts not your job Thai Bri lol

ROFL!

This last few posts > the whole rest of this thread.

[jubaji]

Exactly!! Why would you want to be stuck in an art that rips you off and doesn't teach you anything. Or worse, makes you believe that you are awesome!!!

*ahem*...........................................

[jubaji]

Please bash the person, not the art guys........

Ok, you're a ******* moron.

[Red Rum]

Please bash the person, not the art guys....

Ow my ears... my beloved wing chun... slipping away....

[tjwingchun]

Oh great, another stupid closet case...

Lighten up and smile occasionally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCg4u9Ao84E

[jubaji]

Why would I want to grapple anyway? Rolling on the floor getting hot and sweaty with half naked men, some in lycra shorts and covered in baby oil is not my idea of fun.

Oh great, another stupid closet case...

[tjwingchun]

Why do you think I joined?

Because you like the feel of something long, black and hard in your hand.

Of course then there is the truncheon as well!!

[Thai Bri]

Why do you think I joined?

[tjwingchun]

I was on about your martial arts not your job Thai Bri lol

[Thai Bri]

Hitting things and kicking things. Same old same old.

[tjwingchun]

Listen who is talking about age lol, the only reason you follow MMA thinking is because you cannot remember what you were doing yesterday lmao, anyway who is falling out?

Just doing my usual justification of what I have been doing for the last 24 years and answering questions when asked.

So what have you been up to recently anything exciting?

[Thai Bri]

I give up with TJwingchun - he's too old to change!

Great to see WC guys falling out though!

[tjwingchun]

honest answer to an honest question, but one of our instructors is a jujitsu guy (Japenese style) and his grappling isn't really that good, so i'm not convinced by your argument here. Haven't you gone down to BJJ gym and tried it out? One guy, no matter how tough he is cannot convince you that grappkling is part of wing chun surely?

The student who does NHB is a blue belt in BJJ and we ran a gym together, me doing Wing Chun him his MMA/NHB training, we worked on many things and aspects of competitive fighting, from initiating contact to all the various ranges of fighting and finishing strikes. He now trains with Alan Orr as he has the full set up and style customised to MMA/NHB competitions.

I understand what you are saying - you can get someone in a choke during chi sao. But you wouldn't go up to someone in a fight and chi sao them!!

Chi Sau is not for fighting, simply a training tool, it should only come into effect if your inital attacks have been blocked and therefore you have contact with both of your opponents arms.

I agree with you. Each to their own. But if you want to talk about grappling I would advise that you do some. I once thought like you until I did Judo/BJJ and then realised that you can't wing chun someone into a grapple

I talk about fighting and done enough of that in my past to justify to me that my Wing Chun is effective in any situation, it can never guarantee that you will always win as that depends on too many parameters that reality teaches you.

In the 24 years I have been teaching professionally I have had to deal with people of most styles as well as streetfighters who have wanted to test whether I knew what I was talking about, and both theoretically and practically I have always been able to do both.

I respect all martial arts and competitive fighters, I do not say that Wing Chun is the only way to fight, or that my Wing Chun is the best, what I do say is that it is the only way for me. It has been the method I have used to understand how to utilise all the different muscle groups to generate energies in my body and how to bring them together to be effective when in violent confrontations.

The bottom line of my way of teaching is "getting others to understand themselves the way I understand myself in fighting scenarios".

In my mind that is all that Wing Chun is, simple body mechanics related to violence.