William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[Thai Bri]

As per other posts I have made in this thread - Cheung was all over the Martial Arts press back then. He claimed that only he had been taught "authentic" Wing Chun by Yip Man who had, apparently, even taught his own sons a flawed verson.

Cheung issued his challenge across the MA press, that he knew this ultimate secret system, and was willing to prove it's effectiveness by taking on any challenge.

Boztepe walked up to Cheung whilst Cheung was teaching a seminar. He pointed to one such artcile in a magazine and siad words to the effect of "Did you say this?" When Cheung replied in the affirmative, they squared up, fought, and rolled around like two puppies in a play pen, with neither getting hurt. Boztepe was clearly dominant.

Cheung remained quiet about it all for years. Only years and years later did he re-emerge, with an array of different, often contradictory, excuses.

[dimmak786]

The Bruce Lee letters.

Bruce called Cheung "the ultimate fighter".

Thai Bri what was it like in the mid 80's when this was going on? By that I mean what were peoples thoughts on Cheung prior to and after the incident. And how did you learn of the incident as obviously no internet than.

[Thai Bri]

Bruce Lee evidence? What is that then?

And, like I said, I was around in the mid 80's when "Dr" Cheung was promoting himself, until he got owned in a schoolgirl fight.

I don't know, nor care, about Boztepe. If he were to enter the MMA ring against ANY established MMA fghter , I would bet on the other guy.


But Cheung got what he asked for, and then wished he had not asked.

[dimmak786]

I tend to beleive Cheungs story about tape editing, he was working without a permit in Germany an dhe didnt want to hurt or kill the guy an dend up locked up.

The guy is pure class and has always been about upholding the true spirit of chinese martial arts.

For those who argue he is a phony, there is the Bruce Lee evidence, and watch the youtube video of how fast he punches. These are just two little titbits in the scheme of things but the evidence stacks up in favour of Cheungs story.

Even if you look at what has happended to the Kerspecht/Bozetepe/TIng alliance in the last 20 years. LIke the scounderals and rats they are they have turned on themselves. No honour amongst thieves I guess.

Whilst throughout Dr Cheung has been the epitome of dignity content that he handled Boztepe the way he had to.

For the record I dont do Wing Chun I was just someone around in the mid 90's when Boztepe was trying to promote himself off the NHB era UFC phenomenon.

It does seem like Boztepe is all about self promotion and thuggery in the martial arts.

[Red Rum]

You will tend to find that Thai Bri knows what he's talking about.
Whilst he is a wing chun basher, he has at least done some wing chun, so he is talking from his experiences

As for Cheung - my friends brother trained in America recently under John Hopkins University
He attended a school supposedly run by one of the best wing chun guys on the planet. It was this guy

http://webhost5.nts.jhu.edu/kclub/officers.html

The guy didn't turn up until half way through the class, on his mobile phone
He then asked my mates bro what wing chun he had done and whether it was the traditional or the 'modified' version

He then spent the rest of the lesson stating how my friends brother was not doing traditional wing chun and that he had not been shown the true wing chun

It then turned out that the guy is a William Cheung student.
I have no idea as to what Cheung is telling his students but it sounds like nonsense

My Sifu trained directly under Ip Chun after training in the Samuel Kwok association, yet he is proud to say that he is always adapting the wing chun system to make it more relevant to what people need in todays society
He never shouts out that he was taught by the son of Yip Man etc
He never states that the chun he teaches is traditional or the right way

My view is, you train your martial art to work for you. It might be that you don't want to fight people and bulk yourself up like a cage fighter. It might be that you don't want to work on hand techniques and want to develop your foot techniques and movement.

People train for different reasons and it never matters whether the art you train now is the same as 400 years ago

[dimmak786]

What a fascinating thread and I thank thi bri and tameo for making it so entertaining.

At the beggining Thi Bri comes across as the archetype fat loser, an internet hero, bitter at his own failings and taking it out on someone like william cheung who is everything he wants to be and cant be.

Than you have tameo who comes across as the virginal 18 year old who worships william cheung and is honest and decent still living with the hope that time is on his side and he could one day be as good as cheung.

Now you have the true picture revealed. Tameo wasnt even born when the 1986 incident took place and lied about training in russia, and seeing videos of the real incident.

Why is it that this cheung-Boztepe incident so fascinates the psyche that people like Tameo must lie and lie about it. I think it has something to do with the whole mystique surrounding Bruce Lee and the 70's era of kung fu mystery.

Cheung is one of the last living links to that.

Going back to this thread I was wrong about thi bri. What a turnaround.

It seems it was tameo who is exposed as a fraud.

As for my view I think Boztepe is a cowardly bum and i tend to beleive Cheungs story.

[Thai Bri]

I've managed to shed a stone these last few weeks, partly due to the sacrifice of my beloved family sized dairy milks.....

We have much in common!

[Red Rum]

I don't think they have enough sugar!

But I eat the fookers anyway! -

I use to love the mini doughnuts they did at The Little Chef, but I'm more into Dairy Milk now!!!

[Thai Bri]

I don't think they have enough sugar!

But I eat the fookers anyway! -

[Red Rum]

Thai Bri,

It was not used as "ammunition", it was meant to point out exactly how thoughtless it is to pass insults at people's loved ones; something that I would never dream of doing, let alone to someone I do not know. I have often said Red Rum is a fat prick, which he obviously is by his own admission. I have, however, never made comment or allusion to his family.

I would thank you from showing common decency and desist from making any further reference to my family.

SmallThought

I think insulting someone just because of their weight is also pretty low. You have no idea as to whether I have illnesses that have caused weight increase etc, or whether I am dying from heart disease etc.
I was unaware of any illness your mother had, but as Thai Bri says - to use that as a shield is pretty low. I also doubt whether its true, now that I know what kind of person you are

As I said before, if you insult me, I insult you. That is the vicious cycle.
You decided to make it personal, simply because I stated what everyone on almost every forum has stated - that William Cheung and his kung fu systems are flawed, misguided, over-expensive, and useless.
I never attacked you personally until you decided to attack me, so take a look in the mirror

And by the way I don't eat doughnuts - they have too much sugar....

[Thai Bri]

As long as you leave my Great Great Uncle Freddy out of this.

Pathetic.

[SmallThought]

Thai Bri,

It was not used as "ammunition", it was meant to point out exactly how thoughtless it is to pass insults at people's loved ones; something that I would never dream of doing, let alone to someone I do not know. I have often said Red Rum is a fat prick, which he obviously is by his own admission. I have, however, never made comment or allusion to his family.

I would thank you from showing common decency and desist from making any further reference to my family.

SmallThought

[Thai Bri]

In March last year, a week after her birthday, my mother died suddenly and tragically of a massive stroke. I was the one who had to call the ambulance and hear my mum tell me how frightened she was to die as she was trollied out of the house.

Do you really want to continue with the mother jokes???

To use this as ammunition on an internet forum is pretty low. May she rest in peace. At least she is now from the shame of brining an eedjut like you into the world.

[SmallThought]

Want another doughnut????

That'll be a bit more weight to be bias, hindering your footwork. That'll mean your guard is even more open while you stuff your face. That'll mean you'll have even less time to decode the forms and understand the applications.

But, hey... that's ok, because you are the best anyway, aren't you!??! You obviously don't need any of those things with 25stone of blubber to throw around.

I'm not responding to anymore of your posts; you are a complete waste of space.

[Red Rum]

You know..... i forgive your ignorant insult; you can't help being you. The ten years of extra life experience i have makes me pity your poor predicament.

I truely hope that one day you are mature enough to see the error of your current actions. You may well look back and think how lucky you really were today.

How lucky I am? Hell I live every day to the full and love my life.
I have been in near death situations previously that make me appreciate every moment

But you.... Despite having lost a parent in such a way, you still choose ignorance, even though everyone on this forum has told you that Cheung and his system suck

Your ten years of extra life experience seem to have counted for nothing - you talk like a four year old