William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun

[Ben Grimm]

I'm a Wing Chun stylist. Frankly speaking Cheung is crap. He started with all the claims after Yip Man passed away. His angles are wrong and a lot of his stuff is watered down Wing Chun these days. Just trying to sell it to make money.

[yuriart]

hello anybody or everybody
i am a wing chun practioner stuck in manila philippines
i am looking for any schools or anyone who does wing chun so we can train together
i have been studying wing chun for 7 years
been training intensely for the past 4 years (every other day, 6 hours each day)
my grandmaster's (duncan leung) friend has been teaching me, sifu guy lai.

i am looking for anyone who wants to train and share
i am not a master i am just looking to keep growing

thanks

[Red Rum]

Like Velma from Scooby Doo!!! Where are my glasses!!

Why do loads of wing chun guys think they can grapple using wing chun?

Its easier and more reliable to use BJJ or catch wrestling or sombo

[Tom Yum]

LOL! Why would he bother putting on the gloves for that?

Btw, this is what most WCers seem to be thinking of when they talk about "grappling"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Vp_9i7JnQ&NR=1

I like how the grappler guy just bends down and doesn't shoot when he comes in for a takedown, rather jetting his arms out like a nerd whose lost his glasses and can't seem to find them.

[Red Rum]

Man oh man, stop taking the mick out of my beloved wing chun
I'm going to have to iron palm all of you until you cry

Or antigrapple you to death

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Thai, bare with me on this for a moment - Wing Chun takes a lot of heat because it is misunderstood. Take this clip for example, here the greatest master of them all is so fast that he actually bends the sapce time continuum - he is so fast that the other looks as if he is not even moving. Of course, Wing Chun outsiders would be unable to see that and thus have to interpret things otherwise. Certificate anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eA9BfhSgY

Now THIS is funny!

[Nebuchadnezzar]

This is an example of the effects of full-contact Wing Chun chain punches. Notice that, though this bout takes place in a ring, it's without gloves, and there is obvious intent on the part of the fighters to do major damage. The knockout that takes place toward the end is the result of a perfect WC vertical punch to the point of the chin.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...t=bd8e3bd1.flv

Ha, Ha, Ha.....NOT!

[Liberty]

All the above said (by all the above) I like the art. It is the art the late Bruce Lee was so formidable with his first years in North America, according to people even now held in the highest regard (Jesse Glover, Taky Kinmura, James Lee, et al). So, while there dozens upon dozens clips all over the internet of people at every rank and level of "mastery" making the art look so poor, that's on them individually. Lee, for example, even during his own Wing Chun days, was respected by the above people (Taky, et al) for both his willingnss and abiity to take on all comers in unrehearsed spars.

Perhaps when those within the Wing Chun world who claim like ability begin to do so, they too may find the arts true limits.

If that is what Kevin Chan and his Kamon Wing Chun and a few others out there are finally up to than I strongly applaud them. Here's to a black eye, a busted rib, to the pain and uncertainty which is a neccesssary part of the pursuit of true fight knowledge and it's adaptations.

[jubaji]

LOL! Why would he bother putting on the gloves for that?

Btw, this is what most WCers seem to be thinking of when they talk about "grappling"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Vp_9i7JnQ&NR=1

[Liberty]

Bruce Lee changed Wing Chun?

I think the term "rejected" it may suit the facts, though I do think he would have retained bits of it, as well as the atributes it helped him develop early on.

As for integrating other systems into it, I'm all for that. The more integration and the less Wing Chun, the better.

Thai, bare with me on this for a moment - Wing Chun takes a lot of heat because it is misunderstood. Take this clip for example, here the greatest master of them all is so fast that he actually bends the sapce time continuum - he is so fast that the other looks as if he is not even moving. Of course, Wing Chun outsiders would be unable to see that and thus have to interpret things otherwise. Certificate anyone?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eA9BfhSgY[/YOUTUBE]

[Liberty]

This is an example of the effects of full-contact Wing Chun chain punches. Notice that, though this bout takes place in a ring, it's without gloves, and there is obvious intent on the part of the fighters to do major damage. The knockout that takes place toward the end is the result of a perfect WC vertical punch to the point of the chin.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/tda-pics/2007/12/?action=view&current=bd8e3bd1.flv

[Red Rum]

Bruce Lee changed Wing Chun?

I think the term "rejected" it may suit the facts, though I do think he would have retained bits of it, as well as the atributes it helped him develop early on.

As for integrating other systems into it, I'm all for that. The more integration and the less Wing Chun, the better.

Bruce didnt really reject it. He said that there were a lot of problems with the wing chun style as it had too many fixed structures

He actually included a huge amount of wing chun in Enter The Dragon.
He also did it in the fight with Chuck in way of the dragon, with the nice added storyline touch that wing chun wouldn't beat karate so he had to switch to JKD

Bruce also went back to Yip Man before he died and asked to be taught Bil Gee

Thai Bri - You'll be pleased to note that Kamon is introducing a lot more boxing and kickboxing into the art

[Thai Bri]

Bruce Lee changed Wing Chun?

I think the term "rejected" it may suit the facts, though I do think he would have retained bits of it, as well as the atributes it helped him develop early on.

As for integrating other systems into it, I'm all for that. The more integration and the less Wing Chun, the better.

[Red Rum]

I respect this guy but still am not convinced that WC is the way foreward. It was developed for small chinese people and not for westerners.

In todays world we have guns so urrrm i think WC is a bit old school dont you think ?. A mugger is not going to throw a wing chun punch at me. I cant bong sa a gun !

Could you do anything else against a gun!!! If someone wants to kill you then they will kill you, simple as!

Things like finger strikes will give you a better chance against a person with a gun, but I have never seen training against armed opponents that was realistic. Why? Because guns are long range weapons

But you are right in that wing chun has its limits

That is why Bruce Lee changed it when he came to America
That is why people like Kevin Chan and Alan Orr integrate other techniques into the system

[freefighter2010]

I respect this guy but still am not convinced that WC is the way foreward. It was developed for small chinese people and not for westerners.

In todays world we have guns so urrrm i think WC is a bit old school dont you think ?. A mugger is not going to throw a wing chun punch at me. I cant bong sa a gun !