Why is Kung Fu not considered to be truly effective in actual combat?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

when i see most of his old chinese films..... his Snake KungFu is purely Southern Style KungFu, as well as his DrunkenBoxing, AngKa KungFu, Choy Lee Fut, WingChun and even his Five Animals KungFu

Note:
since southern KungFu uses mostly prioritizing hand attacks rather than feet

Bruce Lee's KungFu mostly is Southern KungFu

The Wong Fei Hung of Jet Lee is a good example of a Northern KungFu

What's the chinese name for Angka, cause I can't find any english page where "Angka" is used on the same page as kung fu, only Indonesian, malajan or Phillipino language ( don't know because I do not speak nor can read any of them)

[Toudiyama[NL]]

when i see most of his old chinese films..... his Snake KungFu is purely Southern Style KungFu, as well as his DrunkenBoxing, AngKa KungFu, Choy Lee Fut, WingChun and even his Five Animals KungFu

Note:
since southern KungFu uses mostly prioritizing hand attacks rather than feet

Bruce Lee's KungFu mostly is Southern KungFu

The Wong Fei Hung of Jet Lee is a good example of a Northern KungFu

What's the chinese name for Angka, cause I can't find any english page where "Angka" is used on the same page as kung fu, only Indonesian, malajan or Phillipino language ( don't know because I do not speak nor can read any of them)

On the pages I found Angka kung fu together aren't found

[sherwinc]

What's the chinese name for Angka, cause I can't find any english page where "Angka" is used on the same page as kung fu, only Indonesian, malajan or Phillipino language ( don't know because I do not speak nor can read any of them)

On the pages I found Angka kung fu together aren't found

the is the term used by my kungfu instructor......

Tai Chi Chuan he called it = Tai Chiaek Kun

Hsing-I Chuan he called it = Hing-E

Ngo Cho Kun he called it = Go Cho Kun

Chi Kung he called it = Ki Kung

now.....

AngKa is a Chinese Word also, it is the Sister-Art of NgoChoKun, it is like those of (Lohan KungFu or Arhats KungFu) remember the five components of NgoChoKun......

AngKa is a very common martial arts like those of TaiChi and WingChun.....

you can see AngKa frequently used by Jackie Chan on most of his older films, like those of AngKa versus Eagle Claw kungfu,

AngKa is not a HungGar cause HungGar is a combination of Tiger and Crane, while .... Angka is a combination of Swinging Fist and Tiger kungfu


Note:

On this picture i find on Wong Kiu Kit's Homepage is a good example of an AngKaKun KungFu Fighting Stance

Notice it's POINTING FINGER UPWARD as the AngKa TRADEMARK.......

[Tom Yum]

if we won't include the acrobatics and outragioius stunts of Jackie Chan, then most of his KungFu is all Southern KungFu category which means - very far to call it WuShu.......

Maybe. Do you have a list of his styles?

[Tom Yum]

the is the term used by my kungfu instructor......

Tai Chi Chuan he called it = Tai Chiaek Kun

Hsing-I Chuan he called it = Hing-E

Ngo Cho Kun he called it = Go Cho Kun

Chi Kung he called it = Ki Kung

now.....

AngKa is a Chinese Word also, it is the Sister-Art of NgoChoKun, it is like those of (Lohan KungFu or Arhats KungFu) remember the five components of NgoChoKun......

AngKa is a very common martial arts like those of TaiChi and WingChun.....

you can see AngKa frequently used by Jackie Chan on most of his older films, like those of AngKa versus Eagle Claw kungfu,

AngKa is not a HungGar cause HungGar is a combination of Tiger and Crane, while .... Angka is a combination of Swinging Fist and Tiger kungfu


Note:

On this picture i find on Wong Kiu Kit's Homepage is a good example of an AngKaKun KungFu Fighting Stance

Notice it's POINTING FINGER UPWARD as the AngKa TRADEMARK.......

Your instructor speaks a southern dialect.

Nothing against forms, but why would you want to punch someone with your other fist chambered by your waste?

[sherwinc]

Your instructor speaks a southern dialect.

Nothing against forms, but why would you want to punch someone with your other fist chambered by your waste?

not the left picture, i mean the right picture with a pointing finger upward....

This is a very good question....... since most of the Shaolin Based KungFu is putting their other fist chambered to their waist

referring to the Newton's Third Law of Motion:
For every action, there is always an Opposite reaction

the reason why they chambered their (left)fist to their waist for them to add power on their attacking (right)fist

Note:
When you see French Fencing, notice that the (right)hand execute a fencing sword trust while the (left)hand counterbalance to the opposite direction... refer again to Newton's Third Law of Motion

When you see KungFu Sword, notice the (right)hand trusts his sword while the (left)is in the opposite direction and converted to a swordfinger .... purpose is to balance the sword with a swordfinger

When you see Arnis swing his (right)hand holding Arnis Stick notice its (left)hand supported is a supported hand

I have a question:
Why is it that Japanese holding a Samurai Sword, why is it that mostly they can't handle their sword with only 1 hand but, mostly two-handed..... you know, there is no counter balance in each movement..... i feel irritating to see novice martial artist here in our place holding the sword two-handed?????

[Toudiyama[NL]]

not the left picture, i mean the right picture with a pointing finger upward....

This is a very good question....... since most of the Shaolin Based KungFu is putting their other fist chambered to their waist

referring to the Newton's Third Law of Motion:
For every action, there is always an Opposite reaction

the reason why they chambered their (left)fist to their waist for them to add power on their attacking (right)fist

Note:
When you see French Fencing, notice that the (right)hand execute a fencing sword trust while the (left)hand counterbalance to the opposite direction... refer again to Newton's Third Law of Motion

When you see KungFu Sword, notice the (right)hand trusts his sword while the (left)is in the opposite direction and converted to a swordfinger .... purpose is to balance the sword with a swordfinger

When you see Arnis swing his (right)hand holding Arnis Stick notice its (left)hand supported is a supported hand

I have a question:
Why is it that Japanese holding a Samurai Sword, why is it that mostly they can't handle their sword with only 1 hand but, mostly two-handed..... you know, there is no counter balance in each movement..... i feel irritating to see novice martial artist here in our place holding the sword two-handed?????

You describe why Karate pulls the other arm to the waist
Now if your next move is a puch with the other side he would be punchin from the waist too, agreed?

As for the Katana, I already told you in the past that there are styles that hold it in one hand because they use 2 swords
But even those that didn't, actually did, they held a Katana and a waki zashi
Doublehands are primarily used for downwards cuts whereas everything horizontal or uupwards is done singlehanded
Apparts from that it is control, why do you think the handle is so long? it is much longer than 2 japanese hands
Try yielding it as a broadsword, you may find that it is rather difficult to do so
in a downwardstrike there is countermovement, the left is pulling the right is pushing ( studied Iaido, so know a bit what I'm talking about)
besides the position of the hands do not determine if there is countermovement, it is the body, example, double broadswords, left hand horizontal strike ending under the rigght armpir followed by a right downwards diagonal strike outside in, although the lefthand doesn't seem to move from under the armpit ( during the diagonal strike) the left hip and shoulder do

As a last point I think you use newtons law wrong, the counterforce is always there but this is using a double armforce
Compare it to pulling a lever to open a firehydron or turning a wheel to do the same, the first is a single armforce the latter a double armforce
Both work and none can be said to be better
A longer lever and a big wheel where you spread out your hands to hold it are different to small lever and a wheel no wider than shoulderwidth
everything is relative here

[jmd161]

Well actually Jackie Chan is a product of the chinese opera hence the acrobatics and outragious stunts he does himself

100% correct!

Jackie Chan and his Sihing Sammo Hung are both from a Chinese Opera background. Jet Li is from a more Wu Shu background.

jeff

[jmd161]

my instructor said that some of the best instructors there in KongHan - they playing Mahjong while sitting on a Kia Be Se (Horse Riding Stance)

This is very true!!

They sit in Ma bo playing for hr's ,but that was old school.

for us, we have no exercise like body conditioning, neck twisting, side bending, jogging, skipping rope, we have not that kind of exercise.....
we do Horse Riding Stance starting from 5minutes up to 12minutes.....
then we do Knuckle Push-up (push-up position only) from 6minutes and so on.....
we do training for almost 10 years of practice.....

push-up positions and horse riding stance then towel for sweat glands, then the kungfu drills and weaponry and sparring.....

Note:
if you cannot resist Horse riding stance and Push-up position (majority they last for 7 days then they stop training kungfu and switch to another club) you better not a candidate to learn kungfu

Well we do a lot of body conditioning.

In Black Tiger you must be able to hold a 1hr deep horse stance before you learn anything. Black Tiger is still very old school.

jeff

[sherwinc]

Well we do a lot of body conditioning.

In Black Tiger you must be able to hold a 1hr deep horse stance before you learn anything. Black Tiger is still very old school.

jeff

i am just thinking that you have a very strong Jing within your legs since you pass 1hr of horse riding stance.....

remember, HorseRidingStance is not like those of StraddleStance....

Straddle Stance is a very wide feet apart about 1meter distance from foot to foot, while the distance of ass to the ground is also high.....

Horse Riding Stance is a very deep stance like sitting in an invisible chair, the distance from foot to foot is (2feet or 3feet only) feet measurement, and the distance from ass to ground is (2feet also) very deep stance....

when i do Horse Riding Stance, i only reach up to 6minutes with my classmate also doing Horse Riding Stance on top of my both knees ( my classmates both feet is on top of my both knees) while we both doing Horse Riding Stance for 6 minutes....

Note:
Many wants to learn kungfu in our private club but they only last for 7 days and quit learning kungfu because of that training..... they want to learn instant advance kungfu moves, but my teacher wont allow jumping to the next without mastering previous.....

Our Tai Chi Chuan is a combination of Hik, Chua, Yang, Tan, and Kiaw Styles of Tai Chi.... most of the Tai Chi moves is a very very deep stance while shifting to another stance in a very deep so..... you have to finish the Tai Chi form in a very deep stance at approximately 30 minutes (without standing straight, feel like you are in a room with a very very very low ceiling that's the reason why you can't stand straight)

truely numbness in the feet after practicing it...... since the lower the stance - the better

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc i only bothered reading the biggening of your post because i was too damn lazy to bother reading the rest. Now sherwinc punching from the waste isnt the best thing.
H2H

In our KungFu CHI DIAN BUN, all hand attacks doest come from the waist, nor we dont put our fist or palms unto our chambered waist.....

but,

In our KungFu ANG KA KUN, 30% of its hand attacks comes from the waist, another 30% of its hand attacks the fist comes from where it stops, and the remaining 40% of its hand attacks the fist came from the lower elbow of the other guarding arm

also in,

In our KungFu TAI CHI CHUAN, 0% of our hand attacks doesnt comes from the waist why??????? Because when the Tai Chi moves, there is a beginning (to where the fist stops) and continuous moving (no stop-by-pause action) and the action stops when the opponent is not capable to fight...........so, you seem to look like all TaiChi forms executed is like - like a single very long form without stopping (no beginning and no ending)......look at the circle inside the pakua, the circle has no beginning and no ending, it is one of the advantages within Tai Chi Chuan

[Toudiyama[NL]]

In our KungFu TAI CHI CHUAN, 0% of our hand attacks doesnt comes from the waist why??????? Because when the Tai Chi moves, there is a beginning (to where the fist stops) and continuous moving (no stop-by-pause action) and the action stops when the opponent is not capable to fight...........so, you seem to look like all TaiChi forms executed is like - like a single very long form without stopping (no beginning and no ending)......look at the circle inside the pakua, the circle has no beginning and no ending, it is one of the advantages within Tai Chi Chuan

Please read this carefully yourself

if 0% doesn't come from the waist, 100% does come from the waist and I don't think you meant to say that, did you?

[HuSanYan]

i am just thinking that you have a very strong Jing within your legs since you pass 1hr of horse riding stance.....

remember, HorseRidingStance is not like those of StraddleStance....

Straddle Stance is a very wide feet apart about 1meter distance from foot to foot, while the distance of ass to the ground is also high.....

Horse Riding Stance is a very deep stance like sitting in an invisible chair, the distance from foot to foot is (2feet or 3feet only) feet measurement, and the distance from ass to ground is (2feet also) very deep stance....

when i do Horse Riding Stance, I do a quick pooh pooh.....

oh, honestly you guys...lol....lol......this stance & that stance and those great golden pyjamas......well, I am very happy today because tomorrow morning I have a boxing lesson arranged, you know, bang bang thud thud whack....in fact...I am the friggin street

[HuSanYan]

geeez you guys

Straddle Stance is a very wide feet apart about 1meter distance from foot to foot, while the distance of ass to the ground is also high.....

Horse Riding Stance is a very deep stance like sitting in an invisible chair, the distance from foot to foot is (2feet or 3feet only) feet measurement, and the distance from ass to ground is (2feet also) very deep stance....

oh honestly you guys..lol....lol...this stance & that stance & those great golden pyjamas....I am very happy today because tomorrow morning I have a 2 on 1 boxing lesson arranged, you know, bang bang thud, whack bang thud, in fact, I am the friggin street

[Londo Molari]

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Anyway... the way we do horse stance, our legs make a rectancle, with the lower legs making the sides, and the thighs making the top. And our ass is NOT sticking out as if sitting on a chair, but is IS very low. About a meter in width, and as high as your lower legs, 1.5 ft"?.

And I've never heard of a stradle stance.