Why is Kung Fu not considered to be truly effective in actual combat?

[IPON]

Prehaps when you dont have too much money you can throw everything away ipon, i understand what he's saying that disposable firearms do have their application but i'm saying that they arent all that.

My closed world... ...Think before you write, if you dont know shit about my world then why write about it?

Who is talking about you not haveing money...again you DON't understand the concepts.

Regarding your closed world my friend you frequently write with little understanding of many things (the only exception maybe your fetish for munitions). So yes if someone is explaining their experieces and you can't understand or don't agree your opinons are from your very closed world.....in other words there is a bigger world out there, becuase you have not hard of or read something doses not mean it does not occur.

It your life take it for what its worth.

[jmd161]

IPON,

What style do you train in ,if i may ask?

I'm moving back to Brooklyn in about 2wks ,maybe we could train together sometime???

jeff

[IPON]

IPON,

What style do you train in ,if i may ask?

I'm moving back to Brooklyn in about 2wks ,maybe we could train together sometime???

jeff

Right Now its Hapkido I'm in Washigton Heights let me know.

[jmd161]

Right Now its Hapkido I'm in Washigton Heights let me know.

Will do!!

jeff

[jmd161]

You also said that you can shoot that way if you train that way also. I dont care how long or hard you train shooting that way you're still going to suck.

People with handicaps over come them all the time ,so why can't someone be effective with practice??? But anyway.......

No, but i'm cynical and sarcastic like him though.

You gets no argument from me on that!! AGREED 100%

Go to a gun club and ask how many people find this story true, and most will think the same as i do. You gain nothing, i was pointing out that the onus is not on me to find the story if you want to prove it its on you.

You miss the point that

"I DON"T GIVE A FUK IF YOU BELIEVE ME OR NOT!!!"

I was'nt trying to make you believe it ,if you wanted to know you could look it up.

If not ohh well.........

Well there's one less loose ends if you are constantly purchasing guns and using them in hits, and it doesnt take much time at all. Besides why risk the gun malfunctioning seeing that you're using pieces of crap. Good guns get stovepipes and jams enough crappy guns are that much worse.

Damn bro!! How many murders do you think the average person on the street commits??? Ha HA Ha lol.....

Why not, if its a good quality weapon and the balistics cant be traced to that gun what can they prove? Only that you had an illegal gun which happened to be the same caliber, not much evidence aye?
People that don't spend time in the streets don't understand the streets!!!

Because if you commited a murder you don't want anything tying you to the area or case in any way. If you walked up on the street ,and blew someone's brains out. Do you think you're going to go home ,and now try and change that weapon?? You're holding on to evidense that could get you the death penality here in florida ,and life in prison many other places.

You get rid of the weapon quickly because you never know who saw anything!!

Once you've rerifled the barrel and changed the pin the gun is no longer hot, besides if you're good with your hands it doesnt take long to change the pin, and if you're not good with your hands (or dont want to take the time) then just hook up a bag to collect shell casings, and rerifle the barrel. The shell casings can be disposed of wherever you would dispose of your gun.

You've never been involved in a shooting of another human have you?!?!

jeff

[IPON]

Okay once again i did mention that disposable firearms do have their place, limited that it is.

OK last time. The gun is not disposable it is considered disposible can you understand that concept.

My very closed world...Ipon if that's your opninion that so be it, you dont know what the f**k you are talking about.

Well my opinion is obviously based on your "insightful" and yet painfully ignorant comments

Mabey i'm not as open minded as a should be, but that has nothing to do with my expierences just youthful aarogance, and foolishness.

Riiiight, how could I ever have been mistaken about you. What I thought was you being in a closed world or closed minded was you just not being open minded......my error

[jmd161]

The gun is not disposable it is considered disposible can you understand that concept.

100% on point!!!


jeff

[HuSanYan]

No, but i'm cynical and sarcastic like him though.

"Doughnut" would be a better description HandtoHand, now get yourself on the Jerry Springer show, you twat.

[guy incognito]

I did'nt know firearms was a part of any kung fu curiculum! WTF?

[silentdragon]

kungfu is real

Kungfu, or Wushu as called in China, is very real for actual combat. The real traditional way of competing in China is not what you see in the western world tournaments, with all that protection gears and a referee around. The traditional way of deciding who is the better fighter is generally one challenger goes up to the door of another guy and ask for a match. During a match there's no protection and often result in injury or even death. The bigger reputation you have the more challengers will come to call you out. My uncle used to practice kungfu, and was called out number of times. Another guy I know who did wushu was a manager at a construction site. The lousy workers make him so upset he often beat them up. Eventually about a dozen of the workers rallied for revenge and he had to spend some money to settle it.

[Thai Bri]

Thats called brawling.

[Londo Molari]

I have been told by my Sifu that Kung-Fu means "to master something" while Wu-Shu means "Martial Art". So technically you could have Kung-Fu over cooking or driving! And if you have Kung-Fu over Wushu, then you are a fighter.

I have been taking Kung Fu for less than 8 months. So I'm not a master at all. Also, what I know about Kung Fu depends on where I train.

That being said, in my opinion there are two major "holes" or "weaknesses" in Kung Fu, which might be responsible for why we don't see Kung Fu practitioners in UCF or Boshido.

1) Although Kung Fu encourages you to develop ways to keep the off the ground, and keep your oponent away, if you somehow ARE forced down on the ground, Kung-Fu has little to offer in terms of joint-locks, grappling and ground fighting (again this is based on MY limited exposure to Kung Fu).

2) Most Kung Fu facilities do not have "no-holds-barred" fighting. I think the best way to become a good fighter is (unfortunately) experience. So if you learn to balance your self in hard stances, and can chop thru 10 pieces of cement, you still won't be comfortable in an actual fight. Many places have sparring with strict rules and protective equipment, and thats a good start, but that limits you from doing any open-handed techniques and it doesn't really feel "real". For example, in Judo, when you get flung around, or when you grapple, you learn to balance yourself when there is another ALIVE person trying to take you off-balance, which is far more practical and useful than balancing yourself on one toe for an hour, without facing any dynamic opposition.

So the reason we see people from other non-KungFu martial arts in Championships is that Kung-Fu is not very focused on down and dirty struggling, and even after achieving a black belt, a practitioner might find himself inadequately prepared to fight all-out.

[silentdragon]

I have been told by my Sifu that Kung-Fu means "to master something" while Wu-Shu means "Martial Art". So technically you could have Kung-Fu over cooking or driving! And if you have Kung-Fu over Wushu, then you are a fighter.

I have been taking Kung Fu for less than 8 months. So I'm not a master at all. Also, what I know about Kung Fu depends on where I train.

That being said, in my opinion there are two major "holes" or "weaknesses" in Kung Fu, which might be responsible for why we don't see Kung Fu practitioners in UCF or Boshido.

1) Although Kung Fu encourages you to develop ways to keep the off the ground, and keep your oponent away, if you somehow ARE forced down on the ground, Kung-Fu has little to offer in terms of joint-locks, grappling and ground fighting (again this is based on MY limited exposure to Kung Fu).

2) Most Kung Fu facilities do not have "no-holds-barred" fighting. I think the best way to become a good fighter is (unfortunately) experience. So if you learn to balance your self in hard stances, and can chop thru 10 pieces of cement, you still won't be comfortable in an actual fight. Many places have sparring with strict rules and protective equipment, and thats a good start, but that limits you from doing any open-handed techniques and it doesn't really feel "real". For example, in Judo, when you get flung around, or when you grapple, you learn to balance yourself when there is another ALIVE person trying to take you off-balance, which is far more practical and useful than balancing yourself on one toe for an hour, without facing any dynamic opposition.

So the reason we see people from other non-KungFu martial arts is Championships is that Kung-Fu is not very focused on down and dirty struggling, and even after achieving a black belt, a practitioner might find himself inadequately prepared to fight all-out.

Literally, Kunfu in Chinese means "power and/or technique acquired through training" and Wushu means "the methods of fighting". So yes, kungfu is a broader term than wushu. But its meaning has narrowed down to specifically for fighting unless explicitly other stated.

Traditional Wushu does have grappling techniques, although it may not focus on it as much as other styles. One reason I think is because traditional Wushu use weapons heavily. A complete practitioner must learn not only hand combat but also various kinds of weapons, such as swords, knifes, poles, etc. And in old days, Wushu practitioners have their favorite weapon with them at all times. So in a real fight at that time, you have more chance fighting with a weapon than bare handed. Grappling is not much use in this case.

[sherwinc]

I have been told by my Sifu that Kung-Fu means "to master something" while Wu-Shu means "Martial Art".

Wrong,

KungFu means "Ability" or "Skill"

Wu-Shu means "Combined Art"

Kok-Sut means "Martial Art"

while in Philippines, most ignorant civilians here called KungFu, WuShu, Kok-Sut as "Karate"

even TaeKwonDo, MuayThai, KickBoxing, JuiJitsu, etc.... many of the civilians here also called it "Karate"

HAW HAW HAW

[guy incognito]

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I have been taking Kung Fu for less than 8 months. So I'm not a master at all. Also, what I know about Kung Fu depends on where I train.[/QUOTE]

What style of KF do you do?