why no kung fu art can defeat mma

[Garland]

It would be like trying to win a BJJ tournament by KO.

Can you do that? A submissions tournament sans striking and knock the other person out? I guess if the fighter does some hard judo-esque slam or some shit...

[Red Rum]

I love the title of this thread!!

It is one hundred per cent true. I am a wing chun practitioner and that is my main art, but you soon realise that one art on its own will not give you what you want.

Wing Chun is extremely good at fighting in a street scenario, but there are times where you might need to switch. If I was fighting another wing chun practitioner there is no point fighting fire with fire.

Boxing, muay thai, BJJ, escrima, etc all bring in something different to your training. I really do hate traditionalists who insist that in real confrontations a bong sao will save you everytime etc.

In a cage environment (In which I've dabbled), kung fu gets slaughtered. Mainly because it is not designed as a submission art. It would be like trying to win a BJJ tournament by KO.

Kung fu is important to learn and I would suggest that MMA guys use it in what they do, but ultimately the people who know and understand a variety of martial arts will win the day.

[Kyder]

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[jubaji]

OMG Mantis Chinese Jujutsu? all together makes it really sound credible....what BS is this

Wow, someone's at the stipmall...


or maybe that's his idea of mixing martial arts, by combining names.

[47MartialMan]

my instructor in mantis chinese jujutsu

OMG Mantis Chinese Ju jitsu? all together makes it really sound credible....what BS is this

[BoarSpear]

hella.

Seems to be S.O.P.

[Garland]

Seek and Destroy...

hella.

[bbbb]

Why does it seem every other thread is like this literally.

Seek and Destroy...

[Wai Yeung]

Kung Fu is not just a striking system. The fact is there has been over 400 type of martial arts developed in China. For example, taiji, wing tsun, hung gar, shaolin and many more. Each chinese martial arts have their own philosophy and objectives. And saying kung fu don't have grappling is a big misunderstanding because Chinese martial arts probably have the most grappling techniques in the world. Furthermore we normally refer ground fighting as dog fist but we rarely demonstrate this art because it doesn't look very nice in the public. The difference between brazilian jujitsu and dog fist is that our ground fighting consist a lot more stiking method while on the ground, on top of all the other submissions we learn. And "yes" we also learn where to bite to disable arm locks because we are imitating animals.. And I am currently taking Shaolin Kung Fu from a real monk and you can look at our cirriculum > www.shaolintemple.ca
I aslo believe this misunderstanding is due to many inexperience kung fu partitioner in the Western society. 3 years ago Shaolin temple finally allowed monks to teach foreigners and if you really want to test their skills please feel free to go try. Try to do some research around your area and if you are lucky there might be a monk living near your neighbourhood. I am not here to offend any other martial arts out there but i just hope this misunderstanding is clear. And I aslo take Wing Tsun because I am a big chinese martial art fan.

[Tom Yum]

How about a 30 year old, 5ft 9in tall, 150 lb. man well-versed in Bak Mei, Muay Thai, and jujitsu -- armed with a Springfield Socom 2 M1A rifle, complete with silencer, muzzle-flash suppressor and laser sighting?

That's a well armed dude.

How fast does this guy run the 2-miler ?

[Tom Yum]

What about a 5'8'' 165 lb muay thai, kali, and miscelaneous grappling guy with a empty forty ounce vs. a 220 lb kung fu guy who is looking the opposite direction?

There are so many random scenarios we can come up with that aren't inside most folks stereotypes. Just goes to show how unpredictable fighting can be.

[sanjiyan99]

How about a 30 year old, 5ft 9in tall, 150 lb. man well-versed in Bak Mei, Muay Thai, and jujitsu -- armed with a Springfield Socom 2 M1A rifle, complete with silencer, muzzle-flash suppressor and laser sighting?

[Garland]

Interesting perception. I'd say that the average MMA fighter is early 20 something, about 6' and just under/over 200-lbs; the average kung-fu guy is 5'7" maybe 150 lbs.

Then again there are so many exceptions to disprove this.

What about a 5'8'' 165 lb muay thai, kali, and miscelaneous grappling guy with a empty forty ounce vs. a 220 lb kung fu guy who is looking the opposite direction?

[Dim Wit Moc]

MMA, does tend to attract younger, athletic and physically heavier practitioners because of its competitive nature. You could say on average, the MMA fighter is likely to be larger and stronger than the average kung-fu guy.

Interesting perception. I'd say that the average MMA fighter is early 20 something, about 6' and just under/over 200-lbs; the average kung-fu guy is 5'7" maybe 150 lbs.

Then again there are so many exceptions to disprove this.

The age old question. Where is the line drawn between realistic generalizations and stereotyping. The words "tend to" and "more likely" are attempts to deal with these issues.

[Tom Yum]

Sometimes I wish I saved back issues of old martial arts magazines. There was an article about a former NFL lineman or a backer (I forget which) who was a Sifu in Five Animal Kung Fu. He was one large, strong, and coordinated dude. Violent confrontations were no stranger to him. In a matchup with someone of any style or MMA practitioner, I would not put my money on the opponent.

In some of these discussions I think there is an underlying assumption that the MMA guy is a 6'3" 235 lb. Neanderthal, and the Kung Fu guy is 5'6" and 120 lbs. who is absorbed in avoidance philosophy. There is much talk about TMA v. MMA but the size factor is not discussed at all, and conclusions are based on assumptions which may or may not be true.

MMA, does tend to attract younger, athletic and physically heavier practitioners because of its competitive nature. You could say on average, the MMA fighter is likely to be larger and stronger than the average kung-fu guy.

Interesting perception. I'd say that the average MMA fighter is early 20 something, about 6' and just under/over 200-lbs; the average kung-fu guy is 5'7" maybe 150 lbs.

Then again there are so many exceptions to disprove this.