why no kung fu art can defeat mma

[Dim Wit Moc]

Or maybe the MMA guy, being far more familiar and comfortable with the experience of violent confrontation would keep his wits about him and make level-headed decisions whereas the kung-fu theory hero would panic in the face of reality and find himself unable to do any of the things he 'talked' about doing in the relative tranquility of his kwoon.

Sometimes I wish I saved back issues of old martial arts magazines. There was an article about a former NFL lineman or a backer (I forget which) who was a Sifu in Five Animal Kung Fu. He was one large, strong, and coordinated dude. Violent confrontations were no stranger to him. In a matchup with someone of any style or MMA practitioner, I would not put my money on the opponent.

In some of these discussions I think there is an underlying assumption that the MMA guy is a 6'3" 235 lb. Neanderthal, and the Kung Fu guy is 5'6" and 120 lbs. who is absorbed in avoidance philosophy. There is much talk about TMA v. MMA but the size factor is not discussed at all, and conclusions are based on assumptions which may or may not be true.

[Tom Yum]

My money's on that Touche guy. That dude's got an answer for everything!

Of course; he's French....


they have answers (opinions) for everything!

[jubaji]

Touche.

Still, with weapons involved it could go either way.

My money's on that Touche guy. That dude's got an answer for everything!

[Tom Yum]

Or maybe the MMA guy, being far more familiar and comfortable with the experience of violent confrontation would keep his wits about him and make level-headed decisions whereas the kung-fu theory hero would panic in the face of reality and find himself unable to do any of the things he 'talked' about doing in the relative tranquility of his kwoon.

Touche.

Still, with weapons involved it could go either way.

[jubaji]

Jubaji, the MMA guy could do what the kung-fu guy is thinking as well but the mind set of a fight is different from each guys training and instincts.

If the MMA vs. kung-fu fight escalated instantaneously and went toe to toe, the MMA guy would completely dominate the kung-fu guy.

If there was a longer escalation and the environment provided improvised weapons, I'd say that the kung-fu guy would have better chances since he's thinking about using anything he can.

Maybe some of his weapons forms training would give him better control, dexterity, striking accuracy and impact vs. the same weapon in the MMA guys hands.

Or maybe the MMA guy, being far more familiar and comfortable with the experience of violent confrontation would keep his wits about him and make level-headed decisions whereas the kung-fu theory hero would panic in the face of reality and find himself unable to do any of the things he 'talked' about doing in the relative tranquility of his kwoon.

[Tom Yum]

MMA fighter restricted by rules --"A"
A street fight uses dirty tatics. --"B"
MMA fighter not bothering with the rules -- "A+B"
A+B > B
Grade school math...

boxing only have 3 letters in alphabet; kung-fu has 26. Kung-fu wins. CONVINCE!!!!!!

Sorry, about that. You reminded me of one of our beloved forum members who had a way with symbolic analogies.


Jubaji, the MMA guy could do what the kung-fu guy is thinking as well but the mind set of a fight is different from each guys training and instincts.

If the MMA vs. kung-fu fight escalated instantaneously and went toe to toe, the MMA guy would completely dominate the kung-fu guy.

If there was a longer escalation and the environment provided improvised weapons, I'd say that the kung-fu guy would have better chances since he's thinking about using anything he can.

Maybe some of his weapons forms training would give him better control, dexterity, striking accuracy and impact vs. the same weapon in the MMA guys hands.

[Shard]

The MMA guy will be more likely to think "inside the box" and conforming to rules. This isn't inevitable, just more likely.

Yes its true.

My MMA skills and techniques only work in the presence of an octagon.
Just like how superman gets his powers from a yellow sun.
Actually, No.

MMA fighter restricted by rules --"A"
A street fight uses dirty tatics. --"B"
MMA fighter not bothering with the rules -- "A+B"
A+B > B
Grade school math...

Anything a person on the street can do, a trained fighter can do and more.
There is no mental block that stops a fighter from picking up a bottle and smashing some guy's head with it.
Even with rules MMA fighters still commit fouls. I've seen people try to kick the head of a downed opponent even though the rules say so otherwise.
Heck take a look at Bas Rutten SD videos and tell me he's following "D@ Rul3$"

[Dim Wit Moc]

with a blunt object to the back of the head (when the MMA guy isn't looking).

In a one to one octagon setting, the MMA guy would trample the kung-fu guy in a few minutes. With no rules, I'd give the kung-fu guy higher chances where random objects can be used as weapons.

He's already thinking about grabbing the pool cue, bar stool, bottle, broom, pen or belt and would use that until he can't hold onto it...

The MMA guy will be more likely to think "inside the box" and conforming to rules. This isn't inevitable, just more likely.

[jubaji]

in addition to being physically superior...

with a blunt object to the back of the head (when the MMA guy isn't looking).

In a one to one octagon setting, the MMA guy would trample the kung-fu guy in a few minutes. With no rules, I'd give the kung-fu guy higher chances where random objects can be used as weapons.

He's already thinking about grabbing the pool cue, bar stool, bottle, broom, pen or belt and would use that until he can't hold onto it...

The MMA guy can't pick up a pen or a bottle????????????????

[Tom Yum]

How kung fu can defeat MMA

with a blunt object to the back of the head (when the MMA guy isn't looking).

In a one to one octagon setting, the MMA guy would trample the kung-fu guy in a few minutes. With no rules, I'd give the kung-fu guy higher chances where random objects can be used as weapons.

He's already thinking about grabbing the pool cue, bar stool, bottle, broom, pen or belt and would use that until he can't hold onto it...

[mea140]

actually, i think you're all wrong about this. no style can descide the outcome of a fight. it's the fighter who wins it. a man with no experience in any martial art could beat a man with 10th dan on any day so long as they no what they're doing.

I must agree with this post. What defines MMA? That is my question. two styles? three styles? four? There technically is no definition.Thats what makes combat sports so interesting, is there is no black and white with styles. It all comes down to two fighters in one ring, and the winner is the ultimate outcome.


The best style is the one that fits you the best.

Now thats rocket science.

[sanjiyan99]

Maybe I should just have left it at Tank-Fu. A suplus, rebuilt tank would have been more realistic.

Tank-fu? Only if you were a military officer and had permission from both the city government and your commanding officer to use that thing. To quote a cheesy line, "A true warrior enters the arena with all his powers at the ready." If you don't have it ready, you're still pretty much toast. Aside from that, you're talking about a weapon that is still offensive in nature and is geared towards anti-aircraft, or anti-land vehicle. Use the right tool for the job.

[Dim Wit Moc]

Nukes? I wouldn't go around talking about that in this age of terrorism if I were you. Jorje Wahabbi Bush would have your head for it. But now you are delving into OFFENSE, not defense -- and that by taking out a large number of people who are not your enemy. Get real, you're a street civilian making decisions for self-defense, not a president or king making decisions for NATIONAL defense. This is on a completely different level. A better question would have been, "Does nuclear capability trump that of biological weaponry?" or, "Can the speed of my bullet defeat a seasoned sword-drawing manslayer?"

Of course, NO MARTIAL ART STYLE will save you from a nuclear blast should you be caught within its blast radius.

Maybe I should just have left it at Tank-Fu. A suplus, rebuilt tank would have been more realistic.

[sanjiyan99]

Would you consider Nuke Fu superior to Gun Fu?

Nukes? I wouldn't go around talking about that in this age of terrorism if I were you. Jorje Wahabbi Bush would have your head for it. But now you are delving into OFFENSE, not defense -- and that by taking out a large number of people who are not your enemy. Get real, you're a street civilian making decisions for self-defense, not a president or king making decisions for NATIONAL defense. This is on a completely different level. A better question would have been, "Does nuclear capability trump that of biological weaponry?" or, "Can the speed of my bullet defeat a seasoned sword-drawing manslayer?"

Of course, NO MARTIAL ART STYLE will save you from a nuclear blast should you be caught within its blast radius.

[Dim Wit Moc]

There is only ONE martial art that is superior to the rest. With very little training, and a few simple moves you can seriously injure or kill ten grandmasters in as little as a few seconds. That martial art is gun-fu, in either Smith & Wesson, Colt, Kimber, Berreta, or AK-47. Not to be disrespectful here, but just ask Alex Gong. He would tell you if he could that nothing can surpass the speed, power, and mortality of the firearm.

I have learned that though I bring my body to the brink of exhaustion, pushing ever more into perfection, and though I hone my skills so that my fists can break apart rocks, EVERYONE from the greatest to the least is equal at the end of the barrel of a gun. Check your local city or state for what is legal in your area.

When I lived in Arizona, I legally carried a gun -- Kimber 1911 Tactical, concealed. Martial arts is great for a workout, but for plain defense, the 1911 .45 caliber is absolutely superior. Most of the time all that is needed is to brandish the gun and the aggressor either surrenders or leaves. Try doing that by assuming a cat stance! Who would win in a fight, Bruce Lee or Jesse James? I'll bet you a million dollars that Jesse James would win the fight alot faster than Bruce Lee can yell like the Fist of the North Star. Would you trust your own skills to keep you alive against a thug high on PCP? Or would you trust that .45 1911?

Actually, this should be a thread discussing why NO MARTIAL ART can beat the firearm.

Would you consider Nuke Fu superior to Gun Fu?