Wing Chunner vs Boxer

[chillaplata]

But only aikido achieves true ownage of kickboxing...

YouTube - Aikido Vs KickBoxing

Let's see the chunner take on that aikidoka!

[Ben Grimm]

I'm a WC stylist, but I'm also a boxer. I've fought WC guys using both methods and that was not boxing. That was just some punk ass wannabe who couldn't punch his way through a wet paper bag.

[KenshiRyan]

That is how boxing looks like versus a skilled WC practitioner.

Notice how its called: Wing chun vs KICK BOXING.

that was not kickboxing nor boxing. This isnt more of your training is it?


Hey Ben Grimm, I've never taken wing chun myself as there are no schools around my area, only had a sparring partner once for a couple of months; who had done it for quite a while and managed to show me a few things, from what I could tell, differences to boxing; apart from stance etc, was wing chun tended to work more on attacking the center line with quite a constant flurry, not giving you a chance to recover well enough to make a decent enough attack back? from your perspective since you've done both boxing and wing chun how would you describe the difference?

[Ben Grimm]

WC punching is predominantly chain punching and the main target is the centreline. (The breastbone moreorless) and it's pretty much trying to flurry and not let the opponent recover. Of course there are finger jabs a hook and an uppercut, plus elbows, but most guys just chain punch. Whereas boxing.... Well you know how it is... Trained to take a hit, always bobbing and weaving, jabs, crosses, upercuts, hooks, shovelhooks, better footwork.

[Sagacious Lu]

WC punching is predominantly chain punching and the main target is the centreline. (The breastbone moreorless) and it's pretty much trying to flurry and not let the opponent recover. Of course there are finger jabs a hook and an uppercut, plus elbows, but most guys just chain punch. Whereas boxing.... Well you know how it is... Trained to take a hit, always bobbing and weaving, jabs, crosses, upercuts, hooks, shovelhooks, better footwork.

One of the first things my boxing coaches taught me was to throw a flurry of 1-2s- that's a jab/cross combo for those who aren't familiar with the term. It's a great way to quickly over-whelm an opponent that isn't ready for it. The thing is that an experienced boxer will be able to defend against the flurry, in which case you have to use a little more finesse. Boxers frequently throw punches in bunches, it's just that you won't get far if that's all you have going for you. I don't see the point in targeting the breast bone specifically though; the throat and lower half of the head is a much more vulnerable target than a big heavy bone.

[Ben Grimm]

Yeah

That's true. But what I was taught is hitting point CV17 is lethal so hit it. However I prefer to just hit with combos to the head and the body.

[KenshiRyan]

yeah that was generally his approach most of the time, It was interesting though.
I could imagine it working quite well in a bar or somthing being that it seems to work well in confined areas keeping that direct line of approach with an attack, quickly overwelming them to the wall or the floor and then gap it outa there.

havent sparred with my wing chun mate in a long time think they've moved up north.

Never mind im really into my boxing at the moment

[Ben Grimm]

Boxing is a really effective style. Keep sparring.

[KenshiRyan]

hell yeah, Its awsome how it pushes you beyond what you thought you were capable of, like you'd be exhausted and want to quit but its amazing how far you can go if you just keep to it.

[Ben Grimm]

That's one reason why I love boxing. Wrestling is the same.

[KenshiRyan]

like I've spent years n' years in more traditional martial arts and moved into boxing about a year ago now, the differences are quite huge.

[Ben Grimm]

Damn Straight!

That's why I still train in boxing and still spar as much as possible.

[Sagacious Lu]

That's true. But what I was taught is hitting point CV17 is lethal so hit it.

I don't know where that is, but I do know that there isn't anywhere that you can expect to kill a person with a single unarmed strike. The human body just isn't that fragile.

[Ben Grimm]

It's on the breastbone, right where you push when giving compressions in CPR. Object of striking it is to disrupt Qi flow and also mess with the heart (in theory anyway).

[Sagacious Lu]

It's on the breastbone, right where you push when giving compressions in CPR. Object of striking it is to disrupt Qi flow and also mess with the heart (in theory anyway).

Thanks Ben, I'd at least agree that that's a viable body blow. I don't see how it's "deadly" though; it's a perfectly legal target in boxing, kick boxing, MMA, san shou etc.