??? re Greg Alland tapes...

[VT3]

Yeah, That's on Greg Allands and David Tanners website also. So What's the real deal then? Are we not to believe Guro William McGrath, the Director of Pekiti-Tirsia International? Also Guro Dan Inosanto sides with Guro William McGrath

[orlant]

aboute greg

found this post in the europen pekiti tirsia site

Dear Greg,

Greetings,

Thanks for your e-mail.I wish you also good health
and many more years of your dedications will be
rewarded in due time.

You have all the reason to communicate directly to me
because between you and me we had the beginning and
that beginning was not enjoyed by anybody. Whatever,
the result of many years of absence, the foundation of
our relaltionship was more than anything else.
Actually, many got jealous of you because they wanted
to get close to me as you were close to me. Billy had
this notion that he can be close to me to grab the
opportunity. but that is not the end of the philosphy
and the culture which is ours. Actually greg,we have
no differences, it is just because of some greed that
comes between us that made someone took the
opportunity. No matter what you do the elements of the
things you do comes back to me and that is the thing
you cannot forget neither i will disown that. As a
matter of fact the pekiti-tirsia Germany/ Europe is
the fruit of your labor and the blade fighters, Guild
of Tom Sotis. So, remember that when things are to be
reckoned with, what ever happens we can still continue
our relationship like the old, old days. We are
already matured and responsible enough to realize that
forgiveness is the price of happiness and of course
your skill to propogate the art as an FMA must be
recognized. This Novemebr is the biggest event in the
Philippines. Now the government recognize the
importance that the art will help the economy of the
country and because of this we spearhead the movement
by having the WORLd KALI GRANDCHAMPIONHIP, SPONSORED
BY THE PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT, DEPT. OF TOURISM , ARMED
FORCES OF THE PHILIPPINES AND THE PHILIPPINE SPORTS
COMMISSION. I want you to be present because the
President of the Philippines and the many dignitaries
will attend the event. Tom Sotis will be the Chairman
of the Knifefighting division. Awards will be given
and promotions will be given personally by the
President of the Philippines. Her Excellency Gloria M.
Arroyo and the SEc. of Tourism Richard Gordon. You
come because I will present to you your official
authority of the SINATIRSIAWALI and your special
award for the 30 years of hard achievement in the
promotion of the FMA. I have the power to elevate your
credibility so that the world will recognized you as
the true master of the art.You know Greg it is about
time that you can lead the changes in the UNited
States in so far as the true practices of the art.
because of your ability to encourage people and your
skill to win friends and influence people. Sooner we
will be in the world sports, and I want you to be with
me wherever and whenever we make the world go round.If
i can bring others to go with me into the highest
pedestal of achievements, why can't I bring you when
had made sacrifices with me in new York and many
places. I only want people who can stand before
anyone and fight.One thing you will not find Billy
under my blessings.

So, let me know your plans and your plkan to bring
people and I will accomodate you. But i want you to
directly deal with me and nobody else.

My best reagards and God Bless.

GRandtuhon Gaje

[MAMike]

unethical behaviors

In 1986 Grand Master Gaje formally expelled him from the system for his
acts of unethical behavior.

That's very funny. Nobody talked about Leo Gaje's unethical behavior's. Arrested after he get out of the airplane when he came back home. Searched from police on the philippines. Made bent business with half Asia...... this are just a few of them all......

As i said at my last posting: You are all very hard guys....

Greetz, Mike

[VT3]

So Whats the real deal?

Who is THIS David Tanner guy? I just visited to his website and am confused. If he is a proponent of full contact martial arts and stickfighting and is a champion kickboxer, Why is he defending Greg Alland? Because EVERYONE knows that Greg Alland isn't a true rep of Pekiti Tirsia and is just a vender of cheesy videos -Here is a Text copied from another forum about this which cannot be denied.
=========================================================
FROM TUOHN WILLIAM MCGRATH
PRESIDENT PEKITI-TIRSIA INTERNATIONAL

RE: GRAND TUHON LEO TORTAL GAJE'S AUGUST 1996 VIDEO ON P.GREG ALLAND

SEPTEMBER 30TH 1996

Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje, Grand Master of the Pekiti-Tirsia System has
made a video concerning the status of one P.Greg Alland of
"Sina-Tirsia-Wali" Kali-Silat.

Mr. Alland claims to be certified under Tuhon Gaje as a Master of the
Pekiti-Tirsia System. Grand Master Gaje wishes it to be known that this
is NOT the case. Mr. Alland was the school manager and a part time
student back in the late 1970's up until 1981 when he left the system.
In 1986 Grand Master Gaje formally expelled him from the system for his
acts of unethical behavior. ( It was found that at 3 of Grand Master
Gaje's seminars from 1985 that Mr. Alland had videoed; saying that he
intended to use them only for home practice as he was "not in shape" to
participate, Mr. Alland was selling in his advertisement "Fear No Man On
Earth" without Grand Master Gaje's knowledge or permission or that of
the participants).

Mr. Alland was Never certified as an instructor in Pekiti-Tirsia by
Grand Master Gaje much less a Master. I should also add that Mr. Alland
holds absolutely NO certification under Pekiti-Tirsia International, the
orginization of which Grand Master Gaje is the Chairman (please see my
"Letter to the Editor" in this months "Inside Kung-Fu").

Please be warned that P. Greg Alland has announced seminars to be held
by Grand Master Gaje of which Grand Master Gaje had no prior knowledge
and gave no permission to make such claims.

If you wish to have a copy of Grand Master Gaje's video taped statement
of the above facts just send $10.00 to cover copying and postage to:

PTI
P.O. BOX 662
FISHKILL, NY 12524

THE FIRST PERSON TO REQUEST A COPY FROM EACH COUNTRY IN WESTERN EUROPE
WILL
RECEIVE THIS TAPE FREE OF CHARGE.

Tuhon William R. McGrath
President Pekiti-Tirsia International
PEKITI-TIRSIA@MSN.COM
--
This message was posted with the knowledge and consent of Tuhon Bill
McGrath. For more information about Tuhon McGrath, Grand Tuhon Leo
Tortal Gaje, or Pekiti Tirsia International, visit the Pekiti Tirsia
International webpage at: http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/PTI/

[TopDog]

I don't believe so

TigerTClaw,

I remember seeing Joe Lewis using two tree branches in a movie fight sequence once, "Force Five"? He didn't look like he was too knowledgeable with Arnis back then. I believe the movie was from around 1980.

[tigrtclaw]

Joe Lewis

TopDog "I have heard that he ducked for cover whenever anyone challenged him to put on the gear
...all the controversy and talk about Greg Alland being such a phoney."

Michael G Olive wrote: "his reputation is true." "Should you reconsider his position, No."What is the exact meaning of these statements?

Michael G Olive, Have you trained under Greg Alland? Tell us more details if you can about Greg.

Does Joe Lewis do any filipino arts? I was just wondering if anyone knew. You would think being around Jeet Kune Do and Brucel Lee all those years.

[kaliace]

Hello,

Greg Alland is a very good Stick fighter. Should you reconsider his position, No. But it is true he does have the skill, even with the knife, but his reputation is true.

Michael G Olive

[TopDog]

Tigerclaw, I have seen one tape on Greg Alland. Although a funny looking guy in the class of a "Charlie Callis" I thought he sounded convincing.I never heard of "Dustin Etan" but, I have heard the name David Tanner mentioned before amongst full contact fighters. I heard that he was a talented kickboxer who also trained with Joe Lewis. One the website mentioned previously... it is stated that Greg Alland did do full contact stick sparring and that he was very formidable. Can anyone else back up this claim? I have heard that he ducked for cover whenever anyone challenged him to put on the gear.

After seeing what David Tanner wrote I wonder if he may indeed be an accomplished stickman after all. Maybe we should reconsider all the controversy and talk about Greg Alland being such a phoney.

[tigrtclaw]

David Tanner alias Dustin Etan

Because of my involvement with NHB I know of the guy. There are two Tanners who Kickbox, Evan Tanner and David Tanner. This one Calls himself Dustin Etan. I saw a tape with some no rules underground fights he was in. He is a devestating striker and very Explosive knocking everyone out. I didn't know David Tanner was involved with escrima and Of All people Greg Alland. I think his tapes are amateur at best and not worth paying for. -I didn't know Alland did any cable television shows until I saw the webpage with Tanner.
How much did Greg influnce Tanner's striking abilities I wonder?

[kaliace]

Well,
He likes photos of himself.

I have heard Greg Speak of him in the past, but only in passing.

Michael G Olive

[TopDog]

http://81x.com/eskrima/Silat Anyone know any more information on David Tanner, Kickboxer, pro wrestler?

[Mr. Gordo]

Well, where's the web page?

[TopDog]

Greg Alland Controversy

Has anyone seen this webpage? 81x.com/eskrima/Silat It Has some information on the Greg Alland and the controversy? Anyone know anything about David Tanner's Martial Arts Skills?

[kaliace]

have any of you ever seen him spar i have.

Yes, I have and he is incredible. He is one hell of a stickfighter! Greg is an awesome force and has my respect for that.
I am not sure where all this came from my last post but that is okay.

I belive Greg Alland is very likable. I still encourage anyone to train with him if the have the chance. He is a very dedicated and shares his knowledge openly. His past is just that his past. If you have a chance to train with him in his Kali Silat system you will not be disappointed with what he will share with you.

Michael G Olive

[thekuntawman]

i think some of you guys are being unfair to greg alland. and this is the problem of politics in the martial arts. we have a man who was the favorite of his teacher 20 years ago, who called him a senior student in articles, then after a falling out, his instructorship or memberships is revoked. now, his juniors the filipino arts are calling him ridiculous names. have any of you ever seen him spar i have.

and so greg is not likable, does that mean he does not know the art he began practicing when some of you were in diapers? if i dont like someone i might say i dont like him, or even that i have beat him. but i do not say he does not know the art just because i dont like him or my teacher does not like him. you can dislike somebody and respect his knowledge of the art. i believe that some of you are judging how he looks doing the art. now i might agree that he might look strange doing his art, but the bottom line is my mind changed after i saw him spar, and then more when i got to spar him years later. he does know how to fight. but about his affiliation with pekiti tirsia, if he was kicked out, then he is no longer pekiti tirisa. if he is stating something that is untrue, then he is a phony. but he does know arnis very well.

about whether you will learn from his tapes. i will agree that you are wasting your money. save your money, buy a bus ticket, and visit him the next time he is nearby to learn from him yourself. i know that he knows better stuff than what is on his tape, and you will thank yourself for meeting him in person than to take the witness of people who dont know him.