??? re Greg Alland tapes...

[kaliace]

Found something interesting on the internet:

Philipines Arnis (Kali) Escrima Martial Arts Federation International
Grandmaster Jerson "Nene" Tortal Int'l Grandmaster/Founding President
Philippines Arnis-Kali-Escrima Martial Arts Federation Inc. Bacolod City/ Manila, Philippines. Master Instructor Jerson E. Tortal Jr.

United States Reps.

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Utah (USA) Branch under Guro/ US. Head Instructor Jared Wihongi

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
(USA) Bob Casper

Dekiti-Tirsia Siradas System
(USA) Tony McGreggor

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Wyoming(USA) Branch under Senior Instructor Guro Ben Fajardo
Asst. Instructor Rich Hager
Asst. Kelsey Dennis


Ohweh, i didn't found Mr. Olive as an instructor....

ALRIGHT!

Bring it on Mike! I love it.

Yep I am not on that list, funny I don’t see Greg Alland either.

Make contact with Guru Casper; see what he thinks of my “status”

Keep and eye on this forum and when we are ready I will announce the new website and organization.

Thanks Mike, you made my day.

Michael G Olive

[kaliace]

Hum, there's no Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organisation as i know. There's only the PHIL. ARNIS (KALI) MARTIAL ARTS FEDERATION INTL. INC. and Greg is a USA associated instructor and director for USA, too. And yes, he is with the Tortals since the late 70ths and yes, he organized a lot of seminars this year with GM Tortal and his son.

This are facts, but i'm sure Mr. Olive will tell us his truth.

Regards, Mike

MAmike,

Yep you are right; there is not one set up for the USA yet. We are working on that and it should be formed and up to speed in a couple of months. Greg Alland is no longer the US director, he has been officially removed.
He was not with the Tortal’s since the 70’s he was with Tuhon Leo Gaje, Grand Master Jerson Tortal’s nephew. He did not associate himself with Grand Master until 1996 or so.
He did “organize” several of the events, but did not pay for his travel over here, or in the US. Greg did manage to mishandle Grand Master’s trip to your country and abandoned him here in the US while he went over there. In fact upon Greg’s return he did not make contact with Grand Master for over a month. Strange for him not to even see if Grand Master was alright, since Greg was “hosting” him here.

I love it, keep it up. As I said before the truth will set you free.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

Found something interesting on the internet:

Philipines Arnis (Kali) Escrima Martial Arts Federation International
Grandmaster Jerson "Nene" Tortal Int'l Grandmaster/Founding President
Philippines Arnis-Kali-Escrima Martial Arts Federation Inc. Bacolod City/ Manila, Philippines. Master Instructor Jerson E. Tortal Jr.

United States Reps.

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Utah (USA) Branch under Guro/ US. Head Instructor Jared Wihongi

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
(USA) Bob Casper

Dekiti-Tirsia Siradas System
(USA) Tony McGreggor

Dekiti-Tirsia-Siradas System
Wyoming(USA) Branch under Senior Instructor Guro Ben Fajardo
Asst. Instructor Rich Hager
Asst. Kelsey Dennis


Ohweh, i didn't found Mr. Olive as an instructor....

[MAMike]

Hum, there's no Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organisation as i know. There's only the PHIL. ARNIS (KALI) MARTIAL ARTS FEDERATION INTL. INC. and Greg is a USA associated instructor and director for USA, too. And yes, he is with the Tortals since the late 70ths and yes, he organized a lot of seminars this year with GM Tortal and his son.

This are facts, but i'm sure Mr. Olive will tell us his truth.

Regards, Mike

[TopDog]

Hey I'm confused about all of this. I went to look up more information about Greg Alland. So Does Greg Alland "conduct" seminars around the world with Master Tortal and his son? (As is mentioned with photos presented on his website http://kalisilat.com/oldindex.html ) Has he been trained under this Master Jerson Tortal since 1979? If so How is Greg Alland not connected to Master Tortals, Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organization? This is quite strange.

[kaliace]

Hello,

He is self appointed in the “position”. Greg Alland does not have any position in the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas organization.

Michael G Olive

[TopDog]

Found this on the web concerning Tortals organization Greg Alland is listed as Director.

PHIL. ARNIS (KALI) MARTIAL ARTS
FEDERATION INTL. INC.
ORGANIZATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL STAFF
DEKITI SIRADAS SYSTEM
ALDABON-KNIFE SUB-SYSTEM
HEADMASTER INSTRUCTOR: GRAND MASTER JERSON "NENE" TORTAL
ASSISTANT MASTER INSTRUCTOR:
MASTER JERSON E. TORTAL JR.
MASTER IN MEDIUM AND LONG RANGE FIGHTING STRATEGY
MASTER IN STICK FIGHTING AND KNIFE EXPERT
MASTER IN CHAKU, AND FULL BLOWN KARATE
SUPPORT GRAND MASTER INSTRUCTORS:
GRAND MASTER SAMUEL P. TORTAL (FAMILY HISTORIAN)
GRAND MASTER SEGUNDITO P. TORTAL
GRAND MASTER MELECIO P. TORTAL
GRAND MASTER JUANITO C. TORTAL
ASSOCIATE MASTER INSTRUCTOR:
MASTER DEMY T. TEJARES (MAJ. PA)
R.O.T.C. TACTICAL NCO'S & CADET OFFICERS & (TUP) ASSOCIATE GROUP
ASSOCIATE INSTRUCTORS:
MASTER ELEAZOR R. TORTAL (CLOSE QUARTER TECHNIQUE)
CONRADO C. TORTAL
HISTORIAN/ORIENTATION SPECIALIST:
GRAND MASTER RTC JUDGE DEMOSTHENES MAGALLANES
GRAND MASTER JUANITO TORTAL
ATTY. MARVIN TANADA
DR. ERNESTO PALANCA
DAN CAJURAO
BENITO ERMINA
U.S.A. ASSOCIATE INSTRUCTORS
MASTER P. GREG ALLAND (DIRECTOR)
ANTHONY (TONY) MC GREGOR
ROBERT (BOB) CASPER
CORPORATE LEGAL ADVISERS:
JUDGE DEMOSTHENES MAGALLANES (LEGAL ADVISOR)
HON. JUANITO AMIHAN
ATTY. MARVIN J. TANADA (CPA/LAWYER) KALI MASTER
ATTY. SOLOMON LOBRIDO
PROJECT COORDINATORS:
NEGROS OCCIDENTAL HEAD OFFICE MANILA CHAPTER
TESSIE ARLENE TORTAL
JERSON E. TORTAL JR.
DELEILAH T. OREA
CEASAR VEGA
SHEILAH MAE TORTAL
JACK CLARK
BENITO ERMINA
ELEAZAR TORTAL
JOY TORTAL
ANNIE TORTAL
TECHNICAL CONSULTANT DR. ERNESTO PALANCA
GRAND MASTER JUANITO TORTAL
MAYOR NEHEMIAS "NENE" DELA CRUZ
MAJOR DEMY TEJARES
JACK CLARK
CESAR VEGA

[kaliace]

@Michael:

At once: for me, the truth (what ever that is) doesn't make my training better. Okay, i stop my posting at this thread. For me, it make no sense.

Take it or leave it, Mike

MAmike,

I am sorry to hear that. The fact still remains that much of what you have on your website is false and misleading. I wish you fair winds and following seas on your journey.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

@Michael:

At once: for me, the truth (what ever that is) doesn't make my training better. Okay, i stop my posting at this thread. For me, it make no sense.

Take it or leave it, Mike

[kaliace]

@Michael,

In some aspects you maybe right (website should be updated). But tell me, who was the person who helped the Tortal family? Who invites Grandmaster Tortal to the states? Who teaches the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system since many many years?

If there're any problems with Greg Alland, go to him and talk with him. Don't do this public, because it's your problem and not our problem. When i have some problems with my friends or my boss i don't talk to the public, too.

N8, Mike

Thank you,

Sounds like Greg’s words. Yes you know half of the story, please be aware that there is a truth.

Greg does not teach Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. He teaches a blend of Pekiti Tirsia, Doce Pares and others. There is nothing wrong with learning with him, just be aware that nothing he teaches, save for maybe the first twelve, is Grand Master Tortal’s system even that is barely a scratch.

I am addressing it privately through litigation with him, but you have it listed in plain view on your forum name of the website address. I wanted to let you know that what you had on there is not the truth, anymore. I like your website, don’t get me wrong, the more that helps bring out the true art of Grand Master Tortal I am all for.

I apologize if I offended you, I hope to meet you some day and talk over a nice adult beverage.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

@Michael,

In some aspects you maybe right (website should be updated). But tell me, who was the person who helped the Tortal family? Who invites Grandmaster Tortal to the states? Who teaches the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system since many many years?

If there're any problems with Greg Alland, go to him and talk with him. Don't do this public, because it's your problem and not our problem. When i have some problems with my friends or my boss i don't talk to the public, too.

N8, Mike

[kaliace]

For me it's not important if Greg Alland is right, if William McGrath is right or Leo Gaje. They all are great teachers and if somebody wanna train with them, they should.

MAmike,

That is interesting considering you have a website about Grand Master Tortal and Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. You call it the ultimate resource on Kali Silat, but that has nothing to do with Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. Most of everything that is listed on the website has to do with Greg Alland, not Grand Master Jerson Tortal.

Grand Master Jerson Tortal is no longer associated with Greg Alland’s “society”; you might want to look into that, as I am sure you want to be a truthful person.

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

I had two 1,5h sessions today. I think it's enough

[Mr. Gordo]

It's funny how much time the Cyber Warriors spend on forums and not at training.

You tell 'em MAMike! Hey wait, shouldn't you be training?

[MAMike]

I don't know why "the real deal" is so much important for everybody's training!?!?! Does it make your training better? Does it make your more powerful? Does it make you faster? I dont believe that.

For me it's not important if Greg Alland is right, if William McGrath is right or Leo Gaje. They all are great teachers and if somebody wanna train with them, they should.

It's funny how much time the Cyber Warriors spend on forums and not at training.