??? re Greg Alland tapes...

[VT3]

Yeah Righton, Alland isn't all that, Heckk I'd beat his ass to the ground, believe me. So Tanner is nothing either! If he's friends and a student of Alland! Yeah, bring them both on any day "sinatirsawali" is crap. con man Greg Alland tapes are BS!

[danjuandesiga]

exposing a fake....

MA Mike vs Kaliace....

one of them is being called out as a fraud and the other one unquestionably appears more legit than the other.

but back to the main topic. I saw those "Fear No Man on Earth" tapes. Old disco 60's - 70's videofootage or not. They're still crap.

Regarding Greg Alland's legitimacy, and from watching how he moves on tape, I don't see myself wanting to move like him at all. There are better PTK fighters/instructors around to model after. Eric Knaus being one of them.

Rock on with your stick on,
Dan Juan de Siga

[kaliace]

*lol* The only proof you made is that you are a liar. I gave you the chance to clarify the topic. What do you do? You attack me and my motives. You attack my loyality and my work. Further you push another person between our differences. You're not at the position to say me that i didn't believe in Grandmaster and in Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. You are only a small, frustrated boy.

You only try to throw out others from the race to become the number one.
Go back to your circus you little clown.....

Regards, Mike

Wow,
It seems like I made a friend.

Der Tag von Atonement kommt für Sie

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

*lol* The only proof you made is that you are a liar. I gave you the chance to clarify the topic. What do you do? You attack me and my motives. You attack my loyality and my work. Further you push another person between our differences. You're not at the position to say me that i didn't believe in Grandmaster and in Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. You are only a small, frustrated boy.

You only try to throw out others from the race to become the number one.
Go back to your circus you little clown.....

Regards, Mike

[kaliace]

I saw that coming. You use only excuses because you have no proofs for your rumors. I always still waiting....

So let me get this straight,
You have never met Grand Master Tortal, yet you have his photo on your website and claim to be The Dekiti Tirsia Siradas for Germany? Europe?
Why should I give you the written proof when what you put out there is fraudulent? You use Grand Master Tortal to forward your own selfish goals, but you have never trained with the man?
You have never listened to this Great man express his concern for not being able to go to Europe. To worry his self sick about letting everyone, even you, down.
What reason did Greg give for Grand Master not being there? I have seen the photos, what Greg was showing is not Dekiti Tirsia; it is his own “style”. Is that right to go over on Grand Masters name a spread his own agenda and not the true system of Dekiti Tirsia? What more proof do you need than the fact that Grand Master did not go and Greg did?

Until you have spent time with Grand Master and open your mind to his wisdom you will never understand how misguided you are.

Lastly what I speak of I have heard and seen first hand. If you do not belive that then you must not belive the Grand Master. That is why you are wrong.
Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

I saw that coming. You use only excuses because you have no proofs for your rumors. I always still waiting....

[kaliace]

Again:

Okay, i give you the chance, here and know, to prove that Greg managed the mishandle with Grandmaster Tortal's trip to germany and europe. No rumors allowed. I would see some paper or anythingelse that prove what you say....

As you see i wasn't threating to you. I complete my sentence in italic words..

Another example of how wrong you real are.....

Mike,

I would like to pose a question first.

How much time have you spent with Grand Master Jerson Tortal and/or his son Master Jerson Jr.?

Not in the classroom, Dojo, or seminar, but how much time have you spent one on one with them?

Thank You,
Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

I don’t spread rumors, just facts. You just refuse to listen.

Quat erat demonstrandum. Since this, all your "facts" are just rumors.....

[MAMike]

Again:

Okay, i give you the chance, here and know, to prove that Greg managed the mishandle with Grandmaster Tortal's trip to germany and europe. No rumors allowed. I would see some paper or anythingelse that prove what you say....

As you see i wasn't threating to you. I complete my sentence in italic words..

Another example of how wrong you real are.....

[kaliace]

Casper means you're a clown and should go back to your circus.
Slowly arisen should mean that you're a child and should slowly become an adult.

I never said that Greg doesn't anythink wrong. I said it makes my training not better if i know that. In my eyes it only promote your stupid attitude, to spread out such rumors.

About the website. I promoted all seminars from Grandmaster Tortal on this page and i promote some seminars from Greg, too. Because:

Dekiti Tirsia Siradas is a part from Greg's Kali Silat. SinaTirsiaWali is a concept and not a style. But i think there's not enough place in your little brain to understand that difference.

About the website. You talked about the past....

Okay, i give you the chance, here and know, to prove that Greg managed the mishandle with Grandmaster Tortal's trip to germany and europe. No rumors allowed. I would see some paper or else....

I'm waiting, Mike

Wow, name calling. That is really clever.

Is this where I say “I am rubber and you are glue whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!”?

I don’t spread rumors, just facts. You just refuse to listen.

“Or else…”
Mike I don’t respond well to threats. Keep that in mind before you say or do something you might regret. It has been friendly banter so far, and I am cool with it.

Do you even know what travel agency was responsible for GM’s trip to Europe?

I did notice on your site that you have my website under your links. Please go ahead and remove me from that, I don’t want my good name tarnished.
Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

Fantastic!
What is “slowly arisen” and what do you mean by “Casper”.

I love how you still defend Greg Alland when you have heard the truth. I guess he can do no wrong in your eyes. It is being handled; the thing is that the organization has been authorized to represent Grand Master in issues with Greg. But you know better.

I mean you are the one that uses Grand Master’s System name on your website address and claims to be the ultimate resource in Kali Silat. You do realize that Kali Silat has absolutely nothing to do with Dekiti Tirsia Siradas? Who is really making things worse?

Michael G Olive

Casper means you're a clown and should go back to your circus.
Slowly arisen should mean that you're a child and should slowly become an adult.

I never said that Greg doesn't anythink wrong. I said it makes my training not better if i know that. In my eyes it only promote your stupid attitude, to spread out such rumors.

About the website. I promoted all seminars from Grandmaster Tortal on this page and i promote some seminars from Greg, too. Because:

Dekiti Tirsia Siradas is a part from Greg's Kali Silat. SinaTirsiaWali is a concept and not a style. But i think there's not enough place in your little brain to understand that difference.

About the website. You talked about the past....

Okay, i give you the chance, here and know, to prove that Greg managed the mishandle with Grandmaster Tortal's trip to germany and europe. No rumors allowed. I would see some paper or else....

I'm waiting, Mike

[kaliace]

Greg teaches Kali Silat which is a blend of Doce Pares, Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, Pekiti Tirsia Kali and Pencak Silat....... but tell us your truth..

Okay,
Thank you for proving my point??

You said it right there, it is not Dekiti Tirsia Siradas system, it is Greg’s own version of a system he calls “SinaTirsiaWali” I belive. The only thing Greg uses in his version is the twelve strikes from Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, nothing else….nothing.

You rock Mike, Keep it coming.

Michael G Olive

[kaliace]

All of them what you said isn't new stuff for me. I know a lot of stories about him, the Tortal's, Leo Gaje and serveral other guys which are involved. But as i see you didn't understand anythink from my words.....

I'll make it easier for you: Grandmaster Tortal and MasGuru Alland are both old enough to clear there problem (if they have one) thereself. They don't need a casper like you which makes the thing still worse.

You should be slowly arisen.

Regards,
Mike

Fantastic!
What is “slowly arisen” and what do you mean by “Casper”.

I love how you still defend Greg Alland when you have heard the truth. I guess he can do no wrong in your eyes. It is being handled; the thing is that the organization has been authorized to represent Grand Master in issues with Greg. But you know better.

I mean you are the one that uses Grand Master’s System name on your website address and claims to be the ultimate resource in Kali Silat. You do realize that Kali Silat has absolutely nothing to do with Dekiti Tirsia Siradas? Who is really making things worse?

Michael G Olive

[MAMike]

Yep I am not on that list, funny I don’t see Greg Alland either.

Greg teaches Kali Silat which is a blend of Doce Pares, Dekiti Tirsia Siradas, Pekiti Tirsia Kali and Pencak Silat....... but tell us your truth..

[MAMike]

All of them what you said isn't new stuff for me. I know a lot of stories about him, the Tortal's, Leo Gaje and serveral other guys which are involved. But as i see you didn't understand anythink from my words.....

I'll make it easier for you: Grandmaster Tortal and MasGuru Alland are both old enough to clear there problem (if they have one) thereself. They don't need a casper like you which makes the thing still worse.

You should be slowly arisen.

Regards,
Mike