Judo cont'd

[IPON]

"Judo is many things to different people. It is a fun sport, an art, a discipline, a recreational or social activity, a fitness program, a means of self-defense or combat, and a way of life. It is all of these and more."

http://judoinfo.com/

So it can be much more and much less. The point you try to make about throwing or bowing would not matter if it were sport or not. the point is you are not correct and no one is affected by these so called "issues" you raise.

This is my last response to this subject enjoy your fantasies

[judoguy6]

I'm not sure if your codename is because you are from another planet or because you are such a novice that you haven't got a clue.

If you don't learn how to breakfall properly, you will always be afraid to try a throw. To get proficient at attacking and throwing, you need to be willing to attempt throws. If you are afraid of being countered and thrown, you'll never end up with good technique.

Breakfall needs to be taught right from the beginning, if for nothing else, then at least for safety reasons.

Originally posted by greenthing
Well which would make more sense learning how to do a turn out or a turn in ,how to cartwheel out of being thrown, or the classical approach of learning how to be thrown first? Falling practice is actually a misnomer, it is actually learning how to be thrown/defeated!
Falling practice should be covered later in training ,after the turn in turn outs and cartwheels are developed.

[greenthing]

I will continue because I am getting honest people to respond(Adults)

[BadgerFu57]

MODERATORS MAKE IT STOP!!!!

[greenthing]

MOMMY MAKE HIM STOP HE'S BEATING ME UP.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by greenthing
I won't waste my breath because I don't get any honest people to respond(Adults)

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I thought I was adressing you on the issues and have been adressing you in a normal and honest way in this thread

[greenthing]

You were but you disapeared. I was really enjoying learning about Judo in the Netherlands and I could tell that you were serious. I can tell that you come from a competitive club. I did mean to insult you but I thought you quit conversing with me. Please continue.
Do you see how doing Uchi Komi's would send conflicting instructions in your nervous system?
I mean learn a movement standing still? (Static training)

And learning to throw by not throwing? (uchi Komi's)

Or how revolutionary, not allowing yourself to be thrown.
(cartwheels and turn in's or out's)

Kano in his book Kodokan Judo which I have right here in my hand says Judo is a sport. He was an educator. Plus he was a sports enthusiast.And he was the president of the Japanese Ametuer Athletic Association.
They have a picture of the 1936 Berlin Olympics
of the Black American hero Jesse Owens
on the reveiwing stand accepting his Gold Medal, there is Jigoro Kano seated in the background! And it broke his heart that the world was at war as the 1940 Tokyo Olympics were cancelled .Kano died on a ship alone and broken hearted because
Japan was going to make Judo an Olympic sport that year. So actually I feel that I am honoring Jigoro Kano by taking up the cause by trying to perpetuate his sport that he invented.He talks about bowing but didn't realize how it could deny participation to so many .And he didn't invision Judo being hijacked by a bunch of bureaucrats,turning his sport into something not intended some kind of cult ,not open to growth ,limited participation ,backwards looking.
Kano came to the U.S. in 1886,to teach Judo ,imagine his sorrow 50 years later at seeing his whole life's work go down the drain.
Do you think he supported the Shinto takeover of the world?
Japanese people still thank American servicemen for freeing them from the stranglehold of the Shinto faith. Did you know that Japanese Chistians were actually executed for refusing to bow.

[IPON]

Kevin I have to apologize for some of my comments (including the one about your sensi) I usually don't attack people but your myopic views can get to a person (not being cruel just honest).

You must have erased an earlier post when you said you got knocked out 1st time being throw. If that was true I think I understand the problem. It is not throws, you just had the misfortune of being partnered with a knuckle head. Someone should not have thrown you that hard to knock you out if you were new. Being more skilled now you can look back and see this person was probably just an ass.

Now lets talk, Judo is a sport, but it is also martial art, so I am not saying you are wrong just not completly right. I never said theat judo was a cult far from it. Boxing is a sport as well. Gracies use throws but obviously not to the extent of a judoka. But you talked about throws and I referred to other styles that use throws. And I asked you why there is not problem with those other styles, it is a question becuase I am trying to understand you point.

We can talk like adults but at the same time part of maturity is being able to admit we are wrong or not completely right. Judoguy6 is an olympian who, by his admission, has been studying for 41yrs I think he has something to offer as do you but you have to stop with the bowing issue. maybe somebe believe as you do and alot don't but either way it is a dead issue

What are the other problems, specifically, that are affecting judo nationally and internaionally beyond the bowing and the associations we can't do anything about that.

I also did noty know that judo was being routinely practiced in the US in the early 1900's so thank you for that infomation.

[greenthing]

Hello Eh.

The Judo 6 guy has his right to his opinion . How did he do in the Olympics. Has he come up with anything new in his 41 years of Judo. Because someone can perform a sport doesn't mean he can communicate how he did it to others.On the other hand being able to coach doesn't mean you can beat everyone else up either. Or just because I say something doesn't mean I know squat- either.Maybe Judo guy 6 can share some of his ideas with us.

What are your secrets that you are willing to share.Got anything to share with us.How do you practice? do you practice moving around the mat.or standing still.Or both.Do you do UchiKomi's.That is practicing to throw but at the moment you throw you stop and don't throw! How does that lead to success?
Do you advocate doing turn outs turn ins and maybe cart wheel out to keep from getting scored on. of course you do.

Or do you too just critisize and call people names like a little girl.

I have found that alot of the classical people won't or can't carry on a conversation because they feel SO threatened by someone pointing out the failures of the classical approach to Judo.They just CLAM-UP COP-OUT and refuse to participate. They and only they are aware of the true deeper meanings that us little people are just too damn dumb to understand. I would like to hear differant opinions and arguments. Besides BAN HIM or STOP THE THREAD or YOU ARE FROM ANOTHER PLANET or any of the other insults.Oh yeah or NOVICE or slimy green stuff. Actually I like a good insult.I think its kinda fun to sit around and insult each other.

We have a guy from The Netherlands participating in this forum also so now we have a really good forum on Judo going. .I'm not trying to be personal but maybe you take it personal.So what. You guys are supposed to be FIGHTERS.
As far as Judo6 I am researching my archives to see who you are.

[greenthing]

I found that when I was thrown I didn't have much choice. The falling practice was mostly to keep my feet and ankles from hitting each other.The falling practice did help me on the street ,literally .Actually it was on an interstate highway when I was thrown out of a car going 65 m.p.h. in a car accident.Falling should just not be the first exposure to Judo.Throwing the first night would be a much more positive experience. Altough the guys running the club take enjoyment at having some dummy that will just stand there and be thrown.
I did actaully have an out of body experience from being (knocked out) thrown.The guy was doing a winding sweeping hip throw(Soto-makikomi) and I shot up into the air and saw downtown Hopkins Minnesota from about 500 feet up and then I shot back down like a rubber band and the lights were on and a girl was screaming that I was going to get hurt. I did leave seeing double that night (among many) but it was kinda fun so I came back for more!

Just like training both sides of the body being thrown in practice is something that is part of training.But you don't want to be thrown in contests or fall at other in-opportune times.I mean the object is to throw the other guy . Except in practice.But that doesn't mean you can't fine tune the training maybe shoot for a little more positive approach.I have seen guys go throw for throw with one landing in a position to throw each time the (Tori)person being thrown lands in position to throw the other guy right away so on and so on.Back and forth.Hey its worth a try. And its not a perfect world but sometimes it pays to try things a little differant.
And you can't always do things moving but you should always try to add some movement experiment around try differant ways of doing the same old thing.

[greenthing]

Judo was actually promoted by President Theodore Roosevelts wife while at the same time he was President .He also became a Black belt. So was James Cagney the actor.
Judo is a major cause of untold heartache and misery because
over in ENGLUND the Women Suffrogates learned Judo( I think in the 1890's) and actually battled the english bobbies in massive street fights to a standstill helping to earn them the right to VOTE!
Dark day for mankind.
Judo had a resurgence after WWII .In the Strategic Air Command (SAC) and U.S Airforce Judo was really big. 1950's and 1960's .I heard so they could get used to being upside down while airborne. (Body management skills).
Chuck Norris started out in Judo. Bill "Superfoot Wallace" was a judo player.He became superfoot because he hurt his other leg while playing Judo.

[greenthing]

Hello Ranier Fischer

You would be Ranier Fischer., Judo guy6. You were the coach of the national team 1975. Am I correct? Olympiam 1976 Lost first round E.Kiss Hungary? Middleweight. Montreal . 1976

[judoguy6]

Re: Hello Eh.

When you find out who I am, let me know.

Originally posted by greenthing
The Judo 6 guy has his right to his opinion . How did he do in the Olympics. Has he come up with anything new in his 41 years of Judo. Because someone can perform a sport doesn't mean he can communicate how he did it to others.On the other hand being able to coach doesn't mean you can beat everyone else up either. Or just because I say something doesn't mean I know squat- either.Maybe Judo guy 6 can share some of his ideas with us.

What are your secrets that you are willing to share.Got anything to share with us.How do you practice? do you practice moving around the mat.or standing still.Or both.Do you do UchiKomi's.That is practicing to throw but at the moment you throw you stop and don't throw! How does that lead to success?
Do you advocate doing turn outs turn ins and maybe cart wheel out to keep from getting scored on. of course you do.

Or do you too just critisize and call people names like a little girl.

I have found that alot of the classical people won't or can't carry on a conversation because they feel SO threatened by someone pointing out the failures of the classical approach to Judo.They just CLAM-UP COP-OUT and refuse to participate. They and only they are aware of the true deeper meanings that us little people are just too damn dumb to understand. I would like to hear differant opinions and arguments. Besides BAN HIM or STOP THE THREAD or YOU ARE FROM ANOTHER PLANET or any of the other insults.Oh yeah or NOVICE or slimy green stuff. Actually I like a good insult.I think its kinda fun to sit around and insult each other.

We have a guy from The Netherlands participating in this forum also so now we have a really good forum on Judo going. .I'm not trying to be personal but maybe you take it personal.So what. You guys are supposed to be FIGHTERS.
As far as Judo6 I am researching my archives to see who you are.

[judoguy6]

Re: Hello Ranier Fischer

2 mistakes: 1) was never the coach, and 2) name is spelled wrong.
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QUOTE]Originally posted by greenthing
You would be Ranier Fischer., Judo guy6. You were the coach of the national team 1975. Am I correct? Olympiam 1976 Lost first round E.Kiss Hungary? Middleweight. Montreal . 1976 [/QUOTE]

[greenthing]

You are a prestigous Judo man. It should be Rainer Fischer.
Would you answer any of my questions.

Is forced bowing important?Is voluntary bowing possible future wise?
You must still be tied into Canadian Judo circles. What are the prospects for the coming summer games.
Why is Canada almost as pathetic as the U.S. when it comes to winning in the Olympics.Why didn't the U.S. even place in the last one. Is it logistics or what.
Also it seems you may have given up a chance at the 1980 games .Didn't Canada support the U.S. boycott of the Moscow Olympics? I knew a couple of the U.S. guys that missed too.