TKD Master who found that tkd does not teach fighting

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Styles

Well, Rickson Gracie has studied a number of styles over the years, he only promotes his own, but his experience goes far beyond bjj. As for conflicting ideas, you ultimately have to decide what works for you! No ma's self defense is exactly the same as his instructors, because no 2 people are the same. You should ask yourself if you can use it effectively, and not hold any blind loyalty to something just because someone else says it works!
Mahalo, Jeremy

[PopItandLockIt]

Morph

What was the original topic of this thread again?????

[medic06]

and what if they pretty much say the same thing? What if because of your body type you punch slightly different?

We can play the what if game all night

[PopItandLockIt]

Bjj

BJJ has been proven 2 work dude, which is why every MMA fighter has to have some knowledge of it or be submitted within mins

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Minuets?

It's probably more like seconds!

[medic06]

the only thing that was proven is that most BJJ practioners who compete are some bad mofos. . . . .

I've grappled with a few who studied BJJ and I found out I can hold my own. And that's just with Hapkido and a little Judo experience.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Bjj

BJJ in the states is starting to run into the same problem that other arts have been dealing with for decades. The more popular it becomes, the more watered down it becomes. It's still great, but I've seen blue and purple belts opening schools and teaching. It's starting to go down that road. they don't work the leg locks as near as much as when I first started in it 12+ years ago. Its overwhelming effect is starting to wear off as well, as most ma's, even non-grapplers, have seen it and are less likely to walk into submissions that were easy to get when it was still pretty much unknown.

[koto_ryu]

koto, man u have obviously studied a no. of styles. what do u do if 1 style tells u to punch like this coz it can generate the most power, but then another style say u should punch like this coz this generates the most power??

I punch whichever way gets me the most power, in my case, like boxing as that's what I have the most experience out of more than anything else. My ninjutsu teaches me to punch differently, so in the dojo that's what I'll do, but in real scrap-ups my boxing skills are much more handy. Still, there is a lot of fun strikes you can do in ninjutsu Never heard a big guy like that scream like a girl when I got him with a shako ken

[koto_ryu]

There's other alternatives to BJJ as well: Shootfighting, Submission Wrestling, Catch-as-Catch-Can, etc. Cecchine and Furey both have some cool submissions you can do to an opponent who gets you in his guard

[electrorok]

BJJ in the states is starting to run into the same problem that other arts have been dealing with for decades. The more popular it becomes, the more watered down it becomes. It's still great, but I've seen blue and purple belts opening schools and teaching. It's starting to go down that road. they don't work the leg locks as near as much as when I first started in it 12+ years ago. Its overwhelming effect is starting to wear off as well, as most ma's, even non-grapplers, have seen it and are less likely to walk into submissions that were easy to get when it was still pretty much unknown.

hey man, just out of curiosity, how long does it usually take to get a blue belt in bjj?

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Time varies

I would say, having seen a lot of different systems over the years, that the average for a blue belt is 3-5 years, depending on the system. This is just my best guess though. You will always have exceptions, as B.J. Penn got his black belt in about 3 years, but he is so phenominal that he's not a very good reference point to time, but rather the person who has recieved there's the fastest ( as far as I know). Some schools put the focus on competing, and winning a prestigious tournament such as the pan america championship or the Arnold-Gracie Classic, or ADCC ect. would definitely help in promoting faster. I think that BJJ put a definite emphasis on quality at each level and have done all the right things to prevent having an over inflated belt structure. There are less belts in most bjj systems than in traditional arts as well. Ultimately though, as with any other art, the belt shouldn't be the objective. It should be having the ability to grow in the art and demonstrate your technique and ability.
Mahalo, Jeremy

[electrorok]

a friend of mine just got his blue belt after 3 yrs of training, but his instructor is only a purple belt. obviously his instructor doesnt think hes a black belt and i think he goes to brazil quite a bit to train and get tested. but it would be hard i would think to teach new things especially when u r learning them yourself. But the problem is there is no black belts in the state. another friend of mine is training at renzo 's bjj school in n.y. would he be looking at 3 -5 yr for blue or would it be quicker due to the calibre of instruction. obviously it does have something to do with practitioner of course.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Instruction

Having a qualified instructor to judge your progress and give you instant feedback as to what you're doing right or wrong should definitely be an advantage in promotion. I should also clarify my position in refrence to kyu ranks teaching bjj. What I was refering to were people I have run across who have done a few years of bjj and start teaching it themselves without recieving permission to instruct from a legitamite instructor and recieve money from students. This seems to be a problem, but there are non blackbelts who have been certified to teach bjj ( Pedro Sauer at one time and Roland Serra to name a few). I have absolutely no problem with that at all. If your friend is recieving instruction from a qualified instructor, regardless of what's around his waist, that cool to me. I have no instructors certificate in bjj from anyone, even after close to 15 years in the art. This is mainly due to the military lifestyle and having to move to a new place every few years. I train with friends and show them new stuff all the time, but to charge them money would be unethical in my opinoin.

[Ethanael]

That's really sad...but it certainly doesn't mean that Tae Kwon Do is not an effective martial art. Being a black belt does not guarantee victory, and being a white belt does not guarantee defeat. If a white belt knifehands a sixth degree blackbelt in the solarplexus, the sixth degree blackbelt is probably going to lose the fight.That doesn't mean that the sixth degree blackbelt's training was all for naught. Perhaps he flinched, or blinked, or something. Or maybe the street fighter had studied some form of martial art that was specialized in combatting Tae Kwon Do. Or maybe your master was having an off-day. It all depends on the application of the attacks.

[Deamonwolfmoon]

Just My thoughts

Hello to all I am new here but I thought that I might add this in after reading the topic.
The Truth is that just because you are a high belt does not mean that you can not get beat in a fight. The truth is no matter how bad some one is there is always some one who is badder then you.