Royce ANNIHILATED

[SamuraiGuy]

The cool thing about BJJ is that if you know you are going up against a judo student, pull guard immediately and triangle the SOB.

Actually I think thats the gayest thing there is about BJJ....

In my opinion if you pull gaurd, you should lose points like in No-Gi grappling.

Unless its a flying armbar or triangle attempt, or an attempt at a flying sweep. You should lose points.

Pulling gaurd is fucking gay.

[Adept]

Karo Parisyan is a pretty good judo fighter in the UFC.

The cool thing about BJJ is that if you know you are going up against a judo student, pull guard immediately and triangle the SOB.

That's half right. Yeah, you should pull guard to avoid getting slammed on your head by the judoka, but triangle choking them is easier said than done. I've had my fair share of triangle choking BJJers, doesn't mean my newaza's any better.

[jubaji]

Greco-Roman you say?

Who said?

Judo has the superior clinch game over wrestling for this reason. YOU CAN EASILY ADOPT IT TO NO-GI.

And this makes it superior, how?

Second, the argument comes, "screw the clinch game, I'm going for a shot"....

Who is making that argument?

more and more we see the shot being less and less effective, the shot and wrestling's "leg" takedowns, are probably the best for pure grappling, in MMA, when you add in knee's, wicked sprawls, counter punching, etc.. It loses its effectiveness.

"Add in"? Like soup stock?

"It" loses its effectiveness? That's a very kungfu-ish thing to say...

"It" doesn't do shit. A person does something. If that person is good at doing something he will be effective. If Carl Karate (or Jody JuJustsu for that matter) thinks that practicing a sprawl for 10 minutes 3 days a week is gonna somehow innoculate him against a well-executed shot by someone who's been training with wrestlers all his life, he's in for some disappointment.

I as well as others also feel having a good clinch takedown game is better than a "outside" takedown game

Ok, wrestling has that as well (in spades!)

[J-Luck]

I was going to take BJJ, but now wrestling seems a better option,
thanks J-luck, I came this close to joining the nuthugger sheeple,LOL j/k

Lol no prob bro. Make sure you do take BJJ eventually, but have a strong wrestling base... it is after all the superior science/art.

[J-Luck]

Okay, I missed a day, but...

Did I answer your question or respond to what it is you wanted? I wasnt sure.

I would like to remark on your Judo thing.

Many people feel the contrary of what you stated. Here's why...

Judo can be adopted to No-Gi fairly easily.

It provides the best and most complete clinch and takedown game?

Greco-Roman you say? Doesnt let you attack the legs how can that be more complete than Judo which has all the upper body of Greco, plus foot sweeps, leg reaps, etc...

Judo has the superior clinch game over wrestling for this reason. YOU CAN EASILY ADOPT IT TO NO-GI.

Second, the argument comes, "screw the clinch game, I'm going for a shot"... well more and more we see the shot being less and less effective, the shot and wrestling's "leg" takedowns, are probably the best for pure grappling, in MMA, when you add in knee's, wicked sprawls, counter punching, etc.. It loses its effectiveness. Sure Matt Hughes is gonna double leg pretty much anyone he chooses, others not so much.

I as well as others also feel having a good clinch takedown game is better than a "outside" takedown game, as it gives you skills for striking in the clinch, and alot of time spent in fights is in the clinch. Whether its pressed up against the cage, or what have you.

Dont discount Judo my friend, did you see Paulo Filho's latest fight, he's not even a real "Judo guy", he's a blackbelt in Judo, but he's more Jiu Jitsu than anything. He launched the guy with an amazing Uchi Mata, and had several nice double legs as well.

I'm not saying Judo is superior to wrestling, well maybe I am, you know what, lets say they are equal, hell we can even say wrestling is better if you want, DO NOT discount the judo though.

Ever hear of a Pawel Nastula.... many people think he's the next pride heavy weight champ... hmmmm a world class (and I mean world class) judoka, taking over from another judoka. What a thought.


(Tanto01, I still havent switched teams lol).

WHAT!!! Who are you talking to?! Who badmouthed Judo... I think you're on a wild rant.

[OmaPlata]

Actually I think thats the gayest thing there is about BJJ....

In my opinion if you pull gaurd, you should lose points like in No-Gi grappling.

Unless its a flying armbar or triangle attempt, or an attempt at a flying sweep. You should lose points.

Pulling gaurd is fucking gay.

tell Lister that after he pulled guard in the UFC the other night and triangled the guy in the first round.
they dont give you points for it and it doesnt count against you in a tourney, you must not like it cuz your defense or escapes suck

[OmaPlata]

oh and talk about flaming gay is those wrestling outfits with the tights and the gay ass ear protectors.......how THWEEEEEAT lmao

[jubaji]

you really seem like a battered child or something

oh and talk about flaming gay is those wrestling outfits with the tights and the gay ass ear protectors.......how THWEEEEEAT lmao

Man, where did this wierd complex about wrestling come from?



Or is it just an off-shoot of intense gracie-worship?


In either case...wierd...

[doJu]

Yes, Royce got destroyed by Hughes. But it would have been interesting if Royce got into full guard. Ive watched the fight several times and at 1 point it looked like he could have pulled guard. Even if he did pull guard 1st rd., i dont think he wouldve done it in rounds 2 and 3.

[fightclubdotcom]

Pulling guard

Obvious you are not that well trained if you think pulling guard is gay. You're name is OmaPlata which is pulled off from the guard. Do you even know anything about BJJ?
That's the way the game is played.

[doJu]

Make sure you do take BJJ eventually, but have a strong wrestling base... it is after all the superior science/art.

Ok, JJ guys who have had wrestling backgrounds in highschool and college tend to do much better in the long run than guys who have just joined a BJJ school with no MA experiance, obviously.............BUT, wrestling is definetly not a superior art when compared to BJJ or Judo. Wrestlers specialize at takedowns and throws really well and have a good side control(a BJJ/Judo side control with your knee pushed into your opponent's hip, NOT a wrestling pin). Also, in wrestling, when you go to the ground, the person on bottom goes to their stomach, so the groundwork is not complete AT ALL in wrestling. And, wrestling has many illegal holds and the person who's back touches the mat for 2 seconds loses.
Wrestling isnt just missing submissions, its missing guard passes, sweeps from guard, positioning...and well, submissions. All those things that BJJ specializes in is missing from wrestling.
Niether grappling art is superior, you have to atleast know a little from all of them, and even then its the fighter not the style. Alot of wrestling(college level and below) MIXED with the extensive ground game of BJJ is superior, combined with several tricks from Judo ofcoarse.

[doJu]

Obvious you are not that well trained if you think pulling guard is gay. You're name is OmaPlata which is pulled off from the guard. Do you even know anything about BJJ?
That's the way the game is played.

Anybody who thinks that pulling guard or jumping guard is gay is immature. Pulling guard is almost like a takedown in a sense. Pulling guard also prevents you from getting slammed when you are trying to resist or sprawl from a takedown. If youre a high ranking belt in BJJ, your guard is dangerous, and youre basically mounting your opponent if he has less BJJ or GJJ experiance.

[OmaPlata]

Obvious you are not that well trained if you think pulling guard is gay. You're name is OmaPlata which is pulled off from the guard. Do you even know anything about BJJ?
That's the way the game is played.

dummy I didnt say pulling guard was gay, it was some wrestling nut hugger who couldnt tap a BJJ guy if the BJJ guy had no training lol

[SamuraiGuy]

tell Lister that after he pulled guard in the UFC the other night and triangled the guy in the first round.
they dont give you points for it and it doesnt count against you in a tourney, you must not like it cuz your defense or escapes suck

first of all J-Luck, when you say "Judo takedowns are inferior" and thats a quote from one of your posts, you are saying Judo is inferior... Judo is takedowns after all. I wasn't just on a wild rant.


And Omoplata wow, an ADCC champion pulled gaurd on some guy with shitty Jiu Jitsu, and triangled him. I never said it wasnt effective, (and in this case Lister could have armdragged to the back, etc... Lister would have had his way grappling in any case). I just said it was fucking gay.

And as for "I dont like it because my defenses or escapes suck"... No I just prefer to stand up and FIGHT standing, not bitch out and pull gaurd. When the fight is standing, I try to throw the person or take them down. My gaurd is probably the strongest part of my game, do I pull gaurd, no. The closest thing I will ever come to pulling gaurd is flying armbars, which when practiced are fairly easy to pull off, especially when your opponents dont expect them.

My theory is why pull gaurd when I can throw your punk ass through the mat. Then take your isolated arm. Pulling gaurd is just a way BJJ people can ignore a whole range of grappling because they cant be bothered to learn standing, or are just to pussy to learn standing.

Did I say it wasnt effective, no I said it was shitty for the sport, and really fucking pussy to do. People who pull gaurd are the same people who get the takedown and Lay and Pray for their two points.. have fun winning by points bud. You deserve it.

[SamuraiGuy]

dummy I didnt say pulling guard was gay, it was some wrestling nut hugger who couldnt tap a BJJ guy if the BJJ guy had no training lol

lol you fucking moron, I do BJJ more than anything, my gaurd is the best part of my game, and I want to stand so I can UCHI MATA (try to find Uchi Mata in the wrestling glossary, wrestlers love using japanese) the **** out of you....

Not single leg you...

Do you even pay attention to who says what?