Royce ANNIHILATED

[SamuraiGuy]

So this is verified that Royces 'arm was broken'?? If so, that would explain alot

His arm wasnt broken, maybe injured but not broken, if it had been broken BJM would have stopped it then and there, like the Silva/Mir fight.

[fightclubdotcom]

Royce got worked

I can't believe it man. I mean I can but still, I thought he'd put up a better fight. I'm a purple belt in BJJ and it' s my passion, but damn we got WORKED!!
Matt Hughes is the man. I really think he broke Royce's arm.

https://www.fightclub.com

Peace!!

[J-Luck]

I was kinda staying away from this thread, because I feel while an Okay argument, neither of you are willing to see any advantages over the other. You'll notice I never said BJJ was better than wrestling, or Wrestling better than BJJ. It may seem like I've taken the side of BJJ at points, calling you out on your apparent ease in learning the gaurd, but thats not so.

Had Omoplata said... "Well shit I know BJJ, all I need from wrestling is to know how to do the shot and a few ways to finish the double leg, knowledge of shooting for the single or ankle pick, and some ways to finish those. And I'm good."

Thats about the equivalent of saying all you need to know from BJJ is submissions.

I probably would have said, what about arm drags? the sugar foot? setups, ground control, pummeling for hooks, upper body takedowns, where to place your feet, subtelties of pins, A GOOD shot, (much like you have a gaurd, not a GOOD gaurd, he can have a shot, but not a GOOD shot), control of the legs, does he stick his head in or outside on the single leg, what are his defenses, how is his front headlock defense, front headlock offense. etc...

I was simply replying to a rather moronic statement.
"All I need from BJJ is chokes, armlocks and leglocks" is about as dumb as "All I need from wrestling is the single, double, and ankle pick"


Oh, Here's another thing that could possibly just mindfuck you. I think JUDO is the better art than both of them. It's recently been brought to my attentino why this is so. If you want me to elaborate on the Judo point... (I sense alot of typing coming up) I will do so in another thread and you and Omoplata can happily bash on each other here.


With that said tell me which thing it is you want me to reply too, or verify which statements of mine and I'll do it.

Just making sure you saw what I refuted, and what you didn't agree with so I could continue this debate. See, I agree with alot of what you say, but I'd like this to be somewhat of an edifying thread(the point of this forum). I don't think boxing and wrestling are taken seriously here. I'm not sure why that is.

I think wrestling is a more complete science/art. I really do, though in and of themselves, strictly grappling, bjj wins. It can't really lose, at worst draw. SO, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING TO IT. But idiots like homoplata think that wrestling is garbage, and honestly they don't know what they're missing out on, at all. And honestly, I was humbled in Bjj, I NEED to know it, it's not an option. And, I plan on(if I were to consider them seperatly, and not aknowledge them as being mixed together in my grappling repotoire- think it's how the word is spelled) becoming more proficient in Bjj. I will continue it 'till I'm 70 lol. Wrestling, for the exception of now untill finish college... and for the exceptions of clubs, random tournaments, and minor leagues... will be over for me. I will heavily incorporate it in my crosstraining(eventual goal is being an MMA fighter), but as far as pure folkstyle,freestyle, or greco roman... it'll be done. The reason I tell you all this is so you know I'm not bashing it, and would never do so.

[fightclubdotcom]

wrestling and bjj

what people don't understand is that someone who is good in BJJ most of the time will be good in wrestling. But wrestlers wont' necessarily be good at bjj.
I'll tell you something though. I know some very very good wrestlers and when they started BJJ they were getting submitted left and right. A wrestler will be very good at taking you down and will be very strong and agressive. If you pull guard on a wrestler and you are good on your back you will submit him, gi or no gi. Guaranteed. I've seen it happen many times. I've made it happen many times.
One good thing about having a wrestling background is that they learn fast and adapt very quickly so watch out. You might be choking this wrestler out one week, and he's dominating you the next.

Check out some good fights at http://www.fightclub.com.
Many more fights to come so stay tuned! Let us know what you think.

Thanks,

[J-Luck]

what people don't understand is that someone who is good in BJJ most of the time will be good in wrestling. But wrestlers wont' necessarily be good at bjj.
I'll tell you something though. I know some very very good wrestlers and when they started BJJ they were getting submitted left and right. A wrestler will be very good at taking you down and will be very strong and agressive. If you pull guard on a wrestler and you are good on your back you will submit him, gi or no gi. Guaranteed. I've seen it happen many times. I've made it happen many times.
One good thing about having a wrestling background is that they learn fast and adapt very quickly so watch out. You might be choking this wrestler out one week, and he's dominating you the next.

Check out some good fights at http://www.fightclub.com.
Many more fights to come so stay tuned! Let us know what you think.

Thanks,

Nope, exact opposite, it's ok though lol. Wrestlers only need small amounts of time before they pick up Bjj... bjj guys may never get good at wrestling. It's k though. Now you know!

[fightclubdotcom]

wrestlers vs bjj

well I really hope you speak from experience because I do. I'm a purple belt in BJJ and I have trained with many good wreslters, and it's taken them a while to really get good at BJJ. They get caught in so many submissions. People pass their guard like it's not even there. They only thing they have is their takedowns, their strength, and their cardio. But, I train a single leg for 6 weeks before a tournament and I'll take any wrestler down. But that's me.
I'm not talking shit about wrestling but in my 5 years of training BJJ, that the experience I have gathered.
Much respect.

Scott O.

[jubaji]

I train a single leg for 6 weeks before a tournament and I'll take any wrestler down. .

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Well, there's a stupid thing to say.

[fightclubdotcom]

you know it's true

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Well, there's a stupid thing to say.

It's true.

[bjjp]

man i wanted royce to win just for the fact i do bjj but you know royce is old his day has past but i think if royce was in the shape he was back in the day when the ufc first started he would of won.but should of,whould of but didnt.

[jubaji]

oh, its fantasy time for the kiddies!

It's true.

Run along, little boy...

[fightclubdotcom]

jubaji

from the sound of it jubaji doesnt train wrestling or BJJ.

[fightclubdotcom]

Royce

I don't think Royce could have beaten Matt years ago. Matt trains at the Militich camp. These guys are the best fighters in the world. Matt's a maching, very good at everything.

[J-Luck]

well I really hope you speak from experience because I do. I'm a purple belt in BJJ and I have trained with many good wreslters, and it's taken them a while to really get good at BJJ. They get caught in so many submissions. People pass their guard like it's not even there. They only thing they have is their takedowns, their strength, and their cardio. But, I train a single leg for 6 weeks before a tournament and I'll take any wrestler down. But that's me.
I'm not talking shit about wrestling but in my 5 years of training BJJ, that the experience I have gathered.
Much respect.

Scott O.

No offense, all of the info bout me was addressed in previous posts... on this site it's good to read all the posts on a thread. Again, I can't express that that wasn't meant with attitude online lol so trust me.

Highly disagree... wrestling being the more complete grappling style, why would they do worse. The body manipulation/control is superior in wrestling.

Wait, you're serious... those wrestlers either suck, you're a prodigy, you're very athletic, you have more mat time dedicated to this takedown, or a combo of 2,3, or all of these. It's gotta be one of the options I presented... because there is no way you will take a wrestler down with just 6 weeks mat time on a single leg.

It's definitly experience... well part of it. I can take down any white belt without wrestling experience... that I've met... meaning not just from my school, anyone I've come across, and I'm up for sparring or rolling with just about anyone. I can sink the double, inside or outside single, dump... actually it's so easy I don't even have to use the dump, I go straight to firemans-sidecontrol or even mount. Do you train the outside double in 8 steps and inside in 4-5 steps... just wondering.

I feel your statment was kinda weird, cause if I said, "If I train the keylock for 6 weeks, I'm hitting it on any bjj practitioner", I think you would laugh lol.

The sentiment is returned... much respect back.

[J-Luck]

I don't think Royce could have beaten Matt years ago. Matt trains at the Militich camp. These guys are the best fighters in the world. Matt's a maching, very good at everything.

Matt's an NCAA D-1 Championship 5th placer, which is a higher grappling rank than Royce has ever won.

[J-Luck]

It's true.

Again, like I said above... I just can't see this unless one of my 4 criteria has been met for such a situation occuring... though I might add one more criteria, though it's not consisten, as your comment inherently implies your single would be... luck.