Usefulness of the guard in self-defense

[TTEscrima]

Sure there is, there is finding yourself on the ground after buying into the bullshit some ponytailed fraud fed you about being able to avoid it, and then having no fucking clue what to do from there.

The ponytailed man you elude to has quite a few extremely qualified people who have vouched for his credentials and his ability to defend himself, you on the other hand were exposed as a fraud, you just aren't taking it very well are you boy?

[Heroic Wolf]

This discussion isn't exactly going in the direction I had intended it to go. I just wanted to see what everybody thought about the possibility of the guard position (vs a standing or kneeling opponent) making oneself vulnerable to groin attacks as it involves spreading the legs and exposing the groin. Can this standup fighting vs ground fighting debate end for now?

[DickHardman]

the guard is just a last line of defense before you are mounted by your opponent. if you put him in guard you can still put your feet on his hips and push him/yourself away and disengage/standup/escape etc....

i dont think anyone ever advocated grabbing someone in the middle of a brawl with multiple opponents and, pulling them down into guard and trying to finish him.

the guard is what it is, just 1 position among many. it can be countered just like anything can, but you are better off knowing it than not knowing like its mentioned.

[jubaji]

The ponytailed man you elude to has

has had his prejudices, assumptions, and risible ego exposed here so many times that he is too humiliated to make so much as a peep for himself, so he sends clownish lackeys like you to repeat his old act for him.

[DickHardman]

has had his prejudices, assumptions, and risible ego exposed here so many times that he is too humiliated to make so much as a peep for himself, so he sends clownish lackeys like you to repeat his old act for him.

are you going to keep yapping or are you going to post the picture from your orange belt test???

[TTEscrima]

i dont think anyone ever advocated grabbing someone in the middle of a brawl with multiple opponents and, pulling them down into guard and trying to finish him.

When you're involved in an altercation in the real world, you rarely have control of the situation or it wouldn't have happened in the first place. That being said, you never know who is involved and who might join in. The ground limits mobility and your field of vision. Going to the ground should always be accidental instead of intentional when you're unsure of the participants numbers or what weapons they may be carrying. That doesn't mean don't learn to fight there, it means don't fucking specialize in it if it isn't supposed to be a major part of your fight strategy.

the guard is what it is, just 1 position among many. it can be countered just like anything can, but you are better off knowing it than not knowing like its mentioned.

I agree.

[jubaji]

Back to the bong, Cheech

[TTEscrima]

are you going to keep yapping or are you going to post the picture from your orange belt test???

MMPHFFF.

[jubaji]

it means don't fucking specialize in it

= be absolutely hopeless against anyone with any serious grappling experience.

[TTEscrima]

has had his prejudices, assumptions, and risible ego exposed here so many times that he is too humiliated to make so much as a peep for himself, so he sends clownish lackeys like you to repeat his old act for him.

???? What planet do you exist on boy? Boar was banned over ideology/politics by the Mods so he CAN"T post here. Boar has had multiple people who came out verified his martial abilities and posted to that effect on this board and many other boards. He has never refused to host anyone who wanted to see his school or abilities, you clearly can't say the same. Guess that means the only act here is yours boy, and it's old n moldy.

[TTEscrima]

= be absolutely hopeless against anyone with any serious grappling experience.

.............. I doubt you've even ever wrestled seeing as your 2 years in the park Tai Chi training with Uncle Chen has been completely outed as a lie, every claim you made added rolls of laughter to the conversation BTW.

[jubaji]

???? Boar was banned over ideology/politics by the Mods so he CAN"T post here.

He was chased out in humiliation more than once, came crawling back on his belly only to be run out of town again with his tail between his legs, and now he has sent you generic lackeys to whine in his place. The fact that YOU exist to suck the ass of such a loser really says it all about you.

[jubaji]

.............. I doubt you've even ever wrestled

Maybe you could give me a quiz on some sacred book you can't read to 'test' me...

[chillaplata]

I was wondering how the guard, one of the iconic BJJ moves along with the mount, would fare in self-defense?

My concern is that lying on the ground and spreading ur legs apart to wrap the opponent when he comes done to ground-fight with you leaves the groin open? I know that the guy in the guard can throw bicycle kicks at the guy standing up, but if the guy standing up attacks with a furious barrage of soccer kicks aimed at the groin, the guy in the guard can't throw bicycle kicks at the same pace. Also, a stomp kick or axe kick to the groin could be executed too.

Any ideas?

A few years ago I asked the same question of a friend of mine who is a JKD instructor and reasonably experienced grappler. His thought was that if you do find yourself in bottom guard in a street fight, you might try to use some variation of a butterfly or spider guard, keeping one or both legs in front of you to protect against groin strikes while still controlling your opponent's hips and legs.

My friend said he'd been experimenting with a kind of half-butterfly guard in which you keep one leg around your opponent's hips and the other leg wedged between yourself and your opponent, with your foot on his thigh or hooked under it. Obviously such a guard is going to be a lot less secure than a traditional closed guard, but I would think that if you find yourself in bottom guard during a streetfight your top priority is generally going to be to sweep or reverse your opponent -- you probably aren't going to hang out there on the bottom waiting to pull off a submission.

I might ask my BJJ instructor this question at some point, but I imagine his advice would be similar.

P.S.: missed Dick's post before I posted -- he seems to be saying some of the same things

[Tom Yum]

???? What planet do you exist on boy? Boar was banned over ideology/politics by the Mods so he CAN"T post here. Boar has had multiple people who came out verified his martial abilities and posted to that effect on this board and many other boards. He has never refused to host anyone who wanted to see his school or abilities, you clearly can't say the same. Guess that means the only act here is yours boy, and it's old n moldy.

I've only seen Boar's stuff from videos which he has requested to be kept private. I have.

What I've seen is probably just the basics - everything he does has to do with fighting, he even relates forms applications.

The way he explains forms on videos (and demonstrates applications) you get the best of all worlds - the excercise, conditioning, culture then straight into no nonsense fighting applications.