tkd vs muah tai

[Tom Yum]

Originally posted by Damian Mavis
S.Anucha, dude you don't have to sell me on Muay Thai... hell I'm moving to Thailand to continue my fight career and hopefully turn pro. I love Muay Thai and know all it's strengths.

BeCubic06, yes real Muay Thai teaches discipline and respect but it greatly depends on the camp. Some camps I've seen are big on discipline but little respect and others were the opposite and others had both! It can vary but traditionally it is supposed to be there.

Damian Mavis
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Awesome Damian! You're doing what we are dreaming of.

[Maxetai]

Originally posted by c0bra
were talkin about the type of tkd thats teached everywhere except the 2 schools in asia that teach the "special" style

c0bra, can you give us some information (links) on these 2 schools?
Thanks

[FUH-Q]

just as a side note, for those who arent familiar or havent had thai teachers they are very respectful and polite people. its just part of the culture. when you combine that with the training (which is discipline by definition imo) i think its a great combination.

oh, and i honestly thought this poll was a joke and didnt expect to see any debate. my old muay thai instructor was thai, he taught muay thai and tkd (he is 6th dan in tkd) and he will tell you that for hand to hand combat tkd doesnt compare to MT.

[Damian Mavis]

Haha it took me a sec to say your name outloud slowly before I realised what it was.

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[darrianation]

Honestly guys why is this even a question. However I'll give my 2 cents anyway.

Take two well-matched fighters, same weight class and skill level. I'll take the MT guy.

I have sparred against a lot of TKD guys and a lot of MT guys and have been beat by both but my observations have been this:

1) Tkd guys usually can't box worth a damn. Remember to box a kicker.

2) TKD guys can get overly confident with the fancy stuff and make themselves easier targets for a savvy fighter (although I’ve seen some very smart fighters from TKD). I have beaten some of them because they spend too much time in the air.

3) Although TKD fighters are incredible athletes the MT guys are generally tougher.

4) TKD guys have a hell of a time defending themselves against incredibly wicked leg kicks.

The way I like to fight a TKD guy is the bread and butter of a MT guy. Bang the shit out of their legs, when they close teep, shin kick their thighs. When they kick, kick their support leg. Then kick their legs some more. When they tire then go in with the boxing techniques Jabs, crosses hooks, etc and finish them off.

But then again never say never.

[darrianation]

Oh damn I forgot about the clinch! Tkd guys have always been fairly easy for me to clinch. Close with a leg kick then left, right, clinch, knee, knee! Hurray!

[Damian Mavis]

Coming from a TKD background I can tell you the single most biggest weakness TKD has versus Muay Thai is leg kicks. We simply don't have the visual recognition and reflexes associated with defending leg kicks. Throw a roundkick towards our torso and head and we have reflexes... send a kick to our legs and we just kind of blink at you stupidly...it's a horrible feeling heh. All it takes is practice though, once I joined Muay Thai leg kicks became a regular part of my sparring and my reflexes and visual recognition of leg kicks got better and better, now I defend them as well as kicks to other levels of my body.

Clinch is probably hard for alot of TKD people too but I had been training close range tactics for years so wasn't as put off from it as those damn leg kicks!

Damian Mavis
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[Thai Bri]

My early days were in Shukokai Karate. Again, no low kicks allowed. Even now I occasionally try to block a low kick with my arms. When I first got into Thai my thighs were so black and blue through taking kicks I couldn't bend them. Ouch.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Originally posted by darrianation
Honestly guys why is this even a question. However I'll give my 2 cents anyway.

Take two well-matched fighters, same weight class and skill level. I'll take the MT guy.

I have sparred against a lot of TKD guys and a lot of MT guys and have been beat by both but my observations have been this:

1) Tkd guys usually can't box worth a damn. Remember to box a kicker.

2) TKD guys can get overly confident with the fancy stuff and make themselves easier targets for a savvy fighter (although I’ve seen some very smart fighters from TKD). I have beaten some of them because they spend too much time in the air.

3) Although TKD fighters are incredible athletes the MT guys are generally tougher.

4) TKD guys have a hell of a time defending themselves against incredibly wicked leg kicks.

The way I like to fight a TKD guy is the bread and butter of a MT guy. Bang the shit out of their legs, when they close teep, shin kick their thighs. When they kick, kick their support leg. Then kick their legs some more. When they tire then go in with the boxing techniques Jabs, crosses hooks, etc and finish them off.

But then again never say never.

I totally agree but I would have to say we are incredible athletes too not just TKD guys.We're not just about strength.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by Thai Bri
My early days were in Shukokai Karate. Again, no low kicks allowed. Even now I occasionally try to block a low kick with my arms. When I first got into Thai my thighs were so black and blue through taking kicks I couldn't bend them. Ouch.

Otherwise your shins would probably have been the sour spot ( spelling?)

[Thai Bri]

I developed those as my skills improved. Ouch again. But at least I could bend my legs.

[darrianation]

Damian Mavis Of course in all fairness I am assuming MT rules or something like K1 rules. These rules would put the TKD fighter more at a disadvantage, unless of course they trained for it. Many good MT fighters have trained in TKD or come from a TKD background.

MuayThaiFighter I did not mean to imply that MT guys were not good athletes I was just giving the upper level TKD competitors their due. I know Mt fighters are in excellent shape and train very hard. I Trained in MT for three years and made three trips to Thailand to train. I also had the opportunity to go there four times while in the service. I didn’t get to train those times but I did get to go watch the fights. So believe me I Know these guys are great athletes.

In the karate tournaments we compete in we cannot leg kick either. I still leg kick during sparring though; it opens up people’s heads real well. These guys in Karate still try to block my leg and body kicks with their arms. They get their arms hurt from time to time. I keep telling them and showing them the leg shield but they seem to be slow learners. I use my legs to block their kicks all the time they usually leave the floor limping. I don’t do point Karate tournaments much to my instructors disappointment.

We are sponsoring one of the largest Karate tourney’s in western Colorado (still small though by most peoples considerations 6 to 8 dojo’s usually show up maybe 20 adult competitors) in April 2004. My instructor really wants me to compete to help represent the school. I probably will but I am sure I’ll be disqualified because I’ll forget in the heat of the moment and I’ll leg kick or sweep someone. Yes sweeps aren’t allowed either. All my best stuff isn’t legal. My best combos null and void I really don’t want to do it but I probably will.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

not even sweeping allowed in point karaete? thats weird, I always was allowed in WUKO/WKF karate ( multiple style)
How was that when you did Wado, no sweeping either? Is this no sweeping normal for point karate in the US, if so I can understand why a lot of people have a bad feeling about Karate

Like you we lowkicked in the dojo, although not hard, it was more to make the other pay attention that a kickboxer/ MT guy would kick the shit out of their legs

[darrianation]

Yea it's crazy! When I did tournaments in AAU karate and other tourneys from my wado days (and these were multi style tourney's) we were allowed to use sweeps. I tell these guys this and they are amazed because they say all the tourney's they go to don't allow sweeps. I guess they don't get out often.

I think it's the WCKL (western Colorado karate league) rules that say no sweeps. The WCKL is the league we belong too. I'ts a small group built up by mostly Goju schools. We do american shotokan, I guess we are just ass backwards.

[Damian Mavis]

Ya when I say TKD VS Muay Thai I mean if they were put into a ruleset that allowed all of Muay Thais techniques.

All the Karate tournaments I've watched and heard about have all been without leg sweeps, I think it has become or is becomming the norm for alot of mainstream karate.

Damian Mavis
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