tkd vs muah tai

[Damian Mavis]

Yes I agree which is and was exactly the problem, they weren't allowed to kick to the legs.. and trust me the pro fighters in Thailand are properly trained heh, just not properly trained to win at the olympic TKD game (and it is a game, but one you need to know all the tricks too to be successful at, I come from another style of TKD and although I'm pretty good I find it hard to win at olympic style due to it's limitations)

The only thing I don't agree with is you have a misconception that they jump alot or in fact all they do is jump, in high level competition most jumping kicks are eliminated in favor of faster simpler kicks. It's probably why the olympics are so boring! Maybe if they did jump in the air alot more people would watch haha.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[retired]

This is getting boring......Zzzz Zzzz

I have trained with thai & tkd and can tell you that either art can ko the best guy's quite easilly regardless of how tough themselves or their art is.

I have seen people kicked out of the ring and kicked into the air in tkd & the same with the leg battering & jumping flying elbows in thai....who cares? the only thing you need to know is how good you are & if you can protect yourself when you need it which is why most people started MA in the first place.

Oh yeah & i have seen video's of the thai military demonstrating MA for the people & it looked more like tkd than thai to me, this has been on a tkd program on discovery latelly as well.

There have been programs on discovery showing the splitting of tkd when one half stayed old style & the other half developed for sports & the olympics, the old traditional style had many similarities to thai techniques regardless if they were borrowed from anywhere else it was still incorporated into it over time just like techniques in thai so writing off tkd as a whole is pathetic.

I could get you to stand in front of thai & tkd people i know and let each one throw 1 technique to yours & either style could ko or drop you.

We have many people in our club from tkd backgrounds who fight thai & it's usually throwing a tkd technique in an evenlly matched fight that catches them unexpectedlly & wins.

Master toddy & Master sken both had high tkd ranking before they started teaching thai in the uk & you can easily notice this when you watch them, if tkd was so crap then why do they still use their techniques & some of it's stretching & training mixed into thai.

My 2p like or not i couldnt care

[Maxetai]

It's not just WTF style TKD,all TKD styles would lose against MuayThai and most other arts.

No offense but TKD sucks.

This question goes to MuayThaiFighter and all the others:
If I were to learn MuayThai from a great teacher, would that by default guarantee me that I could beat any TKD stylist or any other 'stand up art' stylist?
It's a simple question, I expect a simple answer from the people who believe that it's not just the individual but the style only that determines the outcome of a match.

[MuayThaiFighter]

This question goes to MuayThaiFighter and all the others:
If I were to learn MuayThai from a great teacher, would that by default guarantee me that I could beat any TKD stylist or any other 'stand up art' stylist?
It's a simple question, I expect a simple answer from the people who believe that it's not just the individual but the style only that determines the outcome of a match.

It doesn't guarantee you will be come a champion of some sort but yes it does guarantee you will beat any TKD person as far as I am concerned.If a person trains in MuayThai and loses against TKD then he is a disgrace to our art,but that would never happen or rarely anyways.

[kodankan]

It doesn't guarantee you will be come a champion of some sort but yes it does guarantee you will beat any TKD person as far as I am concerned.If a person trains in MuayThai and loses against TKD then he is a disgrace to our art,but that would never happen or rarely anyways.

ha ha ha ha.
i agree
I downloaded off of kazaa a match between a strict tkd artist and a muy tai fighter. everytime the tkd artist did a flashy kick the muy tai guy swept his supporting leg. Kept kicking him in the head too, because the tkd guy kept lowering his hands, because alot of tkd guys dont train the hands too much so they tend to fight with them at their sides.

[Maxetai]

It doesn't guarantee you will be come a champion of some sort but yes it does guarantee you will beat any TKD person as far as I am concerned.If a person trains in MuayThai and loses against TKD then he is a disgrace to our art,but that would never happen or rarely anyways.

Thanks for your honest response even though I don't agree with it and feel that you are generalizing way too much. Nevertheless, you at least honestly believe what you say even though I would suggest for you to be more careful and less arrogant in criticising other styles.

[Damian Mavis]

"I would suggest for you to be more careful and less arrogant in criticising other styles"

HA! Like that is going to happen.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Maxetai]

"I would suggest for you to be more careful and less arrogant in criticising other styles"

HA! Like that is going to happen.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

Hey Damian, at least I made the suggestion! Right?

It's really a shame and sad that many people feel the need to put something down in order to give credit and worth to what they feel is good.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Thanks for your honest response even though I don't agree with it and feel that you are generalizing way too much. Nevertheless, you at least honestly believe what you say even though I would suggest for you to be more careful and less arrogant in criticising other styles.

Me arrogant!!!!!!! I would never be arrogant.LOL and I would never criticise.You asked me a question I just answered,I don't call that criticizem.

I don't ever criticise arts I just try to better inform people that need to hear it the way it is. I talk truthfully and from my own experiences.I feel the need to tell people what is realistic or not,I don't like seeing or hearing about people getting ripped off.It's not always the school it's often the art in itself that destroys people who want to do martial arts for self-defense.

[Damian Mavis]

Dude, that goes with the assumption that you know everything about everything and you don't. You can give opinions but you can't give TRUTH. And saying "such and such sucks" is called criticism. Saying "I don't criticise I just tell it like it is" is one of the most arrogant and ignorant things a human being can say... I would hate to have a discussion on religion or politics with you because you would use the same ridiculous argument... "I'm just telling it the way it is!"

You are like a fish living in an aquarium, you think the whole world is the little area around you, you would be shocked to see what is going on at other Muay Thai clubs and even camps in Thailand. You often state things are a certain way and are corrected by others because unlike you we have seen what Muay Thai is like in all kinds of different places and situations, you base all your opinions on what you see in your immediate area and then call them universal truths even when they are the minority.

Anyway, I've said all this before, sorry for repeating myself.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Maxetai]

Me arrogant!!!!!!! I would never be arrogant.LOL and I would never criticise.You asked me a question I just answered,I don't call that criticizem.

I don't ever criticise arts I just try to better inform people that need to hear it the way it is. I talk truthfully and from my own experiences.I feel the need to tell people what is realistic or not,I don't like seeing or hearing about people getting ripped off.It's not always the school it's often the art in itself that destroys people who want to do martial arts for self-defense.

All I can add MuayThaiFighter, is that you are not anybody's savior. It's fine to express your opinion, point of view, experiences, etc... That's what this forum is about. But to openly crtiticise other styles because you find them "useless' or because you think they "suck" is arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful.
State your opinion, but show some class and respect to other people in the meantime.
Good luck in your training, I wish you well.

[MuayThaiFighter]

Dude, that goes with the assumption that you know everything about everything and you don't. You can give opinions but you can't give TRUTH. And saying "such and such sucks" is called criticism. Saying "I don't criticise I just tell it like it is" is one of the most arrogant and ignorant things a human being can say... I would hate to have a discussion on religion or politics with you because you would use the same ridiculous argument... "I'm just telling it the way it is!"

You are like a fish living in an aquarium, you think the whole world is the little area around you, you would be shocked to see what is going on at other Muay Thai clubs and even camps in Thailand. You often state things are a certain way and are corrected by others because unlike you we have seen what Muay Thai is like in all kinds of different places and situations, you base all your opinions on what you see in your immediate area and then call them universal truths even when they are the minority.

Anyway, I've said all this before, sorry for repeating myself.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

You're pretty funny.

Oh believe me it would be a challenge talking to me about religion,because although I am a non-practicing Christian,I am open to all religions.I like hearing about what different religions have to say,I would never criticize these religions because we all have our own believes and I don't expect everyone to agree or disagree with me.Religion is a rather interesting topic.

I am Christian,only because I believe in Christ and God but I do not consider myself to be any particular type of Christian and would not want to be recognized that way but that is my own choice.

I have a friend that I have spent hours talking to about religion because I found it rather interesting how different religions can be.

[Damian Mavis]

That is pretty open minded.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[adacas]

I worship David Hasselhoff.

[kodankan]

I worship David Hasselhoff.

now thats hilarious