tkd vs muah tai

[AdamTKD]

MT and Kickboxing

Ya when I say TKD VS Muay Thai I mean if they were put into a ruleset that allowed all of Muay Thais techniques.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

Just out of interest:-

1) Apart from the fists and shins/insteps what else are you allowed to strike with in MT Techniques (elbow, head etc).
2) What are the essential differences Muay Thai and Kickboxing (bearing in mind I am not particularly familiar with either)?

The reason I ask is I saw a Kickboxer do light contact sparring with a Taekwonder today, basic synophis of the three minute round was Taekwonder used predominate kicks and occasional punch, Kickboxer used occasional kick with predominate punching.

As to who won, I think Kickboxer would have been ahead on points but should full contact have been in effect or if it was a genuine match KB'er would have been stopped or KO'd.

Adam.

[sherwinc]

read my post....

It's not just WTF style TKD,all TKD styles would lose against MuayThai and most other arts.

No offense but TKD sucks.

Now, if KungFu(all various type) is no match in Muay Thai

then....

Tae Kwon Do is more WORST AND STUPID

Note:
Tae Kwon Do is no match in Karate
Karate is no match in KungFu
KungFu is no match in Muay Thai Boxing
are you satisfied now?

[Damian Mavis]

Handtohand you're being an ignorant pos.

M.Artist and MTF are too but I think they know it heh.

AdamTKD, kickboxing and Muay Thai are as different as Judo is to Jujitsu... if you don't know how severely different those two arts are regardless of the few similarities then... I guess my analogy is wasted! haha Do not watch kickboxing and think it gives you ANY insight into Muay Thai. I've done both and they are such completely different games. You asked what othe weapons MT does so I'll quickly list them for both.

Kickboxing: boxing and kicks above the belt, some venues for full contact kickboxing also have low leg kicks.

Muay Thai: boxing and kicks to all ranges of the body, elbows and knees to all ranges of the body (obviously this includes the face), grabbing your opponents attacking tools (like grabbing thier kick and hitting them), stand up grappling when close and wrenching their kneck to get the dominant position to knee, elbow and THROW them.

Anyway, TKD in a Muay Thai ruleset with the TKD fighter NOT learning the MT game will be easily defeated. Also, MT in a TKD ruleset with the MT fighter NOT learning the TKD game will be easily defeated. There are examples of both happening here in Thailand.

Arrogant and egotistical people from both martial arts will refuse to accept this fact but that's what makes them arrogant and egotistical! haha Even when they have no first hand experience and are just guessing and wishing!

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[William Eriepa]

Kickboxing: boxing and kicks above the belt, some venues for full contact kickboxing also have low leg kicks.

Strange. Pretty much all venues in New Zealand allows kicks to the full range of the body. I don't think i've ever been to a kickboxing match where there are no kicks to the legs.

[osopardo]

You're All Wrong!!! You Got No Clue!!! Tae`kwon Do Originated In The Mountainous Regions Of Korea By Peasant Farmers To Fight Off Wild Beasts Like Tigers And Brown Bears And Lions And They Could Ax-kick A Tiger On The Head And Stun It In Mid Pounce. Then They Would Butcher It And Eat It Raw Right There In Front Of All The Other Wild Animals. No Other Martial Art Can Clainm That Kind Of Origin!!! And The Wtf Poomses Are `lethal - Hidden Moves That Can Kill A Man Or Maim Him Or Even Castrate Him (just Check Out The Moves In Koryo Poomse, You'll Be Apalled And Amazed)

[osopardo]

DAMN PROGRAM WONT LET ME USE ALL CAPS!!!!!

[Maxetai]

Strange. Pretty much all venues in New Zealand allows kicks to the full range of the body. I don't think i've ever been to a kickboxing match where there are no kicks to the legs.

There's 2 types of Kickboxing: 'Full Contact' which allows kicks only above the belt (waist and up), and 'Low Kick' that allows kicks above the waist and to the legs-like Muay Thai but no knees or elbows (or headbutts of course).

[Damian Mavis]

Hate to break it to you William but in the grand scheme of things New Zealand is not exactly where it's at on the global scale of what is going on. Get my drift? haha

Handtohand, pos doesn't stand for poser heh. And you are being ignorant when you say TKD was always crappy which it was not. With the emergence of olympic style many McDojo's sprang up and the reputation for TKD has been going downhill steadily ever since. Hell even my friends that train that federation can't stand it, Olympic style goes against everything us traditionalists believe in.

Osopardo, I did try Koryo Poomse just 2 weeks ago, and you are right! I was apalled and amazed!

Awww man, while I'm typing this there is a loud hissing and clicking noise coming from somewere behind me in my room.... probably a giant cockroach just waiting for me to fall asleep so he can run across my face.....

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[osopardo]

Awww man, while I'm typing this there is a loud hissing and clicking noise coming from somewere behind me in my room.... probably a giant cockroach just waiting for me to fall asleep so he can run across my face.....

LOL Welcome to the Jungle, Canuck!

Living in the tropics most of my life I've gotten used to those critters. Here in Florida we call them Palmetto Bugs or Florida Scarabs - anything but cockroaches! I lived in a house once where you could here their wings fluttering in the dark as they flew across the room at night. For months I slept with my head under the covers!

[osopardo]

...I did try Koryo Poomse just 2 weeks ago, and you are right! I was apalled and amazed!...
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

But seriously, Damian, I'm interested in your now informed comparison between WTF and ITF forms. Feel free to be brutally honest and/or negative.

[Damian Mavis]

In another thread I talked about my Koryo experience, basically they lack any kind of real power and look utterly ridiculous! But I'm sure ITF patterns look silly to WTF people too, but you certainly can't say ours lack power when it is so obviously evident how much power goes into our patterns. One high level pattern should have you dripping in sweat and breathing heavy. My friend runs a WTF school and he can't stand the patterns either, so he teaches an older set that is more traditional.

Handtohand, TKD is definately not a complete system, but the same can be said of many martial arts, in fact I can't think of any that are complete that aren't just blatantly stealing from other arts and renaming it theirs.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[William Eriepa]

There's 2 types of Kickboxing: 'Full Contact' which allows kicks only above the belt (waist and up), and 'Low Kick' that allows kicks above the waist and to the legs-like Muay Thai but no knees or elbows (or headbutts of course).
Hate to break it to you William but in the grand scheme of things New Zealand is not exactly where it's at on the global scale of what is going on. Get my drift? haha

Far out. Thats a real shock to me. That kind of kickboxing seems more like Karate and TKD orientated. Over here the pinacle of kickboxing is K-1. Thats what we all wanna get to.

[retired]

Handtohand, TKD is definately not a complete system, but the same can be said of many martial arts, in fact I can't think of any that are complete that aren't just blatantly stealing from other arts and renaming it theirs.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

Just like thaiboxing when it goes to the ground.


Oh yeah one thing everybody seems to forget " the lucky shot" this devistating technique when thrown by any person will come away the winner regarless if they are masters of thai or tkd or anyother style .

[MuayThaiFighter]

How the hell am i being an ignorant poser?

By letting Damian Mavis get to you.LOL

[MuayThaiFighter]

Handtohand you're being an ignorant pos.

M.Artist and MTF are too but I think they know it heh.

AdamTKD, kickboxing and Muay Thai are as different as Judo is to Jujitsu... if you don't know how severely different those two arts are regardless of the few similarities then... I guess my analogy is wasted! haha Do not watch kickboxing and think it gives you ANY insight into Muay Thai. I've done both and they are such completely different games. You asked what othe weapons MT does so I'll quickly list them for both.

Kickboxing: boxing and kicks above the belt, some venues for full contact kickboxing also have low leg kicks.

Muay Thai: boxing and kicks to all ranges of the body, elbows and knees to all ranges of the body (obviously this includes the face), grabbing your opponents attacking tools (like grabbing thier kick and hitting them), stand up grappling when close and wrenching their kneck to get the dominant position to knee, elbow and THROW them.

Anyway, TKD in a Muay Thai ruleset with the TKD fighter NOT learning the MT game will be easily defeated. Also, MT in a TKD ruleset with the MT fighter NOT learning the TKD game will be easily defeated. There are examples of both happening here in Thailand.

Arrogant and egotistical people from both martial arts will refuse to accept this fact but that's what makes them arrogant and egotistical! haha Even when they have no first hand experience and are just guessing and wishing!

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

I know it and damn proud of it.

I agree kickboxing and MuayThai are completely different just as judo and jujitsu is as you stated.

TKD will lose whether following Muay Thai rules or their rules when competeing against us because TKD SUCKS. TKD guys do not know how to spar they only know their little fancy spin kicks in the air which do shit. A muay thai fighter won't lose against a TKD person or any other stand up art because Muay Thai is the BEST for stand up fighting and has been proven over and over again but still there are many TM that are so jealous of us MuayThai fighters.Facts are Facts.