Royce ANNIHILATED

[nutter]

Yeah he would right mate, cos at least that way he would have been beaten up quicker and that would mean he was paid more per second of fighting right. Wing Chun is for twits innit.

[Cagekicker]

So many chests to thump, so little time... It's amazing some people have time to train.

Guys, the best all around fighter won. So unless we're going to whip 'em out and see who's biggest, let's let this dog lie.

[Troll Virus]

So many chests to thump, so little time... It's amazing some people have time to train.

Guys, the best all around fighter won. So unless we're going to whip 'em out and see who's biggest, let's let this dog lie.

Amen brudda.

[kingoftheforest]

So many chests to thump, so little time... It's amazing some people have time to train.

Guys, the best all around fighter won. So unless we're going to whip 'em out and see who's biggest, let's let this dog lie.

Well I got a 2 foot Nilerthtgbeethehdwhiplietailsad wcebites inside joke. if you don't get it don't worry.

[rev.jc]

strength does matter

I want to commend the guy who stated yes wrestling is as good as bjj, hey bjj guys how many of you spend 12 plus hours a week in the gym at least, in addition to doing strength training and cardio work,

POWER IS SKILL,

why do people reject anything western or american as inferior, huh!

boxing and wrestling always seem to get the worst of it, remember when tyson broke mitch greens face with an open hand, that is power, and it worked, wieght training, cardio, and hours of drilling make a difference. MY wrestlers have to prove themselves 2-3 times a week excluding tournaments and I'm sorry they are in shape.

Hughes is a monster lets cry and say he's a roid monster because he shows us a hard work ethic without some goofy mystic value, thank you for bringing up his leg riding, that was wrestling before it was BJJ (Folkstyle wrestling pre-dates gracie jujitsu) I do think royce had his day, but look at some of his wins, over Kimo he kicks the guy in the groin and pulls hid hair, that sounds like a womens self defese class, and lets face it without that he was on his way out!

Matt Hughes won because he trained harder and was not as one of you so elequently put it a One show Pony

Kudos Matt Hughes.

[OmaPlata]

Because he's not nearly as well rounded as today's fighters, and he tries to use only his BJJ game to beat his opponents. Sure, Royce fights MMA, but thats not what he represents. He represents Gracie Jiu Jitsu...he thought with his superior knowledge in GJJ, that he would have a good chance in defeating Hughes.

BJ Penn used BJJ to OWN Hughes, hmmmm, somewhere your logic is flawed

[OmaPlata]

, but look at some of his wins, over Kimo he kicks the guy in the groin and pulls hid hair, that sounds like a womens self defese class, and lets face it without that he was on his way out!
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Gee lets look at the rules for that fight: No time limit, no eye guaging and no biting. The rest is fair. ANd he didnt kick Kimo is the groin, I just watched the fight the other night, he did pull his pony tail, but so what, Kimo was all greased up. Royce won, do you think Hughes could beat Kimo then or even now, he still weighs 250lbs of muscle? I doubt it. Hughes will never ever have the greatness Royce had as a fighter, beating 4 guys a night without rules and time and size limits. that will never happen again, and when it did. Royce OWNED the competition.

[J-Luck]

I want to commend the guy who stated yes wrestling is as good as bjj, hey bjj guys how many of you spend 12 plus hours a week in the gym at least, in addition to doing strength training and cardio work,

POWER IS SKILL,

why do people reject anything western or american as inferior, huh!

boxing and wrestling always seem to get the worst of it, remember when tyson broke mitch greens face with an open hand, that is power, and it worked, wieght training, cardio, and hours of drilling make a difference. MY wrestlers have to prove themselves 2-3 times a week excluding tournaments and I'm sorry they are in shape.

Hughes is a monster lets cry and say he's a roid monster because he shows us a hard work ethic without some goofy mystic value, thank you for bringing up his leg riding, that was wrestling before it was BJJ (Folkstyle wrestling pre-dates gracie jujitsu) I do think royce had his day, but look at some of his wins, over Kimo he kicks the guy in the groin and pulls hid hair, that sounds like a womens self defese class, and lets face it without that he was on his way out!

Matt Hughes won because he trained harder and was not as one of you so elequently put it a One show Pony

Kudos Matt Hughes.

dat guy would be me. And I completely agree. Except for a small differnece. I belive BJJ is far inferior to wrestling. Different leagues. Also, with 3 hour practices, 4-5 days a week, plus matches and tournaments 1-2 days a week... I think it's more than 12 hours a week.

Leg riding does predate GJJ... thanks for agreeing, becuase people don't seem to understand that. When Matt rode legs... I didn't say, "OH HE THREW IN HOOKS!", I said,"Hey, he's a wrestler riding legs".

I think groin kicks and hair pulling are fine, but for self defense. I don't agree with them in the realm of sports.

I think Hughes is an amazing grappler... I feel like I've said it too many times, but he IS a 5th placing NCAA Championchip placer... I'd hold that higher than a BJJ world championship 5th placer.

[J-Luck]

Gee lets look at the rules for that fight: No time limit, no eye guaging and no biting. The rest is fair. ANd he didnt kick Kimo is the groin, I just watched the fight the other night, he did pull his pony tail, but so what, Kimo was all greased up. Royce won, do you think Hughes could beat Kimo then or even now, he still weighs 250lbs of muscle? I doubt it. Hughes will never ever have the greatness Royce had as a fighter, beating 4 guys a night without rules and time and size limits. that will never happen again, and when it did. Royce OWNED the competition.

AYYYYY HOMOPLATA, how is you? Thought they banned you, oh well though, you'll be gone sooner or later.

As for this stupid post. Royce couldn't take him now. Not even close. He's a 2nd degree black belt in BJJ now... yes, Kimo is a 2nd degree black belt. and with 80 lbs more muscle than Royce, and a distinct striking advantage even if he was Royce's size, Royce would be QUICKLY demolished on his feet or on the ground.

Put Matt of now up against the Kimo back then and Matt would destroy him in short order. Now... ehhh... prob get his ass wuped, but that's because of the size with some skill, not the skill alone.

[J-Luck]

So, is this thread alomst done yet?

[J-Luck]

he wouldnt have, as you saw, he got spanked by Penn, and no matter how much Hughes trained since then, he isnt near Penns greatness on the ground. He wouldnt catch Penn in a kumura or key lock and if would break it if he did, why didnt he break Royces arm, or maybe he did?

You're an idiot. Of course he could hang with Penn now. You obviously don't realise how much he has improved, or how superior of a grappler he is. I'm not saying he'll pull out the sub, but he might.

And Royce's arm was cracking, I saw an interview when he said he let go when it just wouldn't break, Royce wouldn't give, so he went for G&P.

[Serrada]

IMHO most of you have it all wrong. Gracie did take a beating, but by submission wrestling (Gracie Ju-jitsu!) Hughes nor any of the fight at UFC 60 were won by anything other than Gracie Ju-jitsu (I understand the Gracie are not the only ones who have submission wrestling, but they definitely brought it back from being about extinct w/ the UFC’s). There whole point in UFC 1 was with proper technique a smaller opponent could bet a larger opponent by grappling. Hughes’s arms were three times the size of Gracie’s (as are all the modern day UFC fighters) and Hughes was using the techniques form the Gracie books/videos. Eventually, he’s going to get beat by a superior athlete, but not by any other technique than his own. The Gracie’s should be damn proud.

Royce Gracie is still a legend. Maybe in his own time, but a legend.

I can’t take anything away from Hughes. He demonstrated fantastic skills and you have to give him credit as a great sportsman by not breaking Gracie’s arm. He could have.

I have to disagree with all of you that he needs more MMA training. He did things he’s never done before costing him. 1) He pushed away from the clinch for an elbow strike. A big no no of Gracie Jujitsu. 2) He let Hughes get to his back twice. Rule No. 1 of Gracie Jujitsu. 3) When Gracie was in the half guard his legs were just flapping around limp and not defending the mount.

I have done Ed Parker’s Kenpo Karate, Shotokan Karate, Wata Ryu Karate, Goju Ryu Karate, Wing Chung, Serrada Escrima, Arnis and Gracie Jujitsu. My Wing Chun instructor Phillip Holder always said, “you can be a master of one or a jack of all trades and a master of non”. I have become a master of non. Not great at any. Gracie has be doing lots of cross training for the fight (Thaiboxing etc.). It cost him. He’s lost his strategy.

Gracie always had a strategy. He had non. I actually thought the fight would be like an uneventful super bowl with Hughes the successor because a lack a Gracie doing anything but protecting himself.

My last comment about the fight is that there was no fire in Gracie’s eyes. I can’t pin point it but something was wrong, maybe he lost his mojo. Hopefully, he didn’t lose it like Mike Tyson because I’d like to see him fight again another day because he’s a legend like his father and should be in martial arts history forever.

[jubaji]

I belive BJJ is far inferior to wrestling. .

Could you say that again please? I just like to see it there on the screen.

[Penance]

"You are not your f*cking style."

er....khakis.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by J-Luck
I belive BJJ is far inferior to wrestling. .

Could you say that again please? I just like to see it there on the screen.

that is funny, you should how many wrestlers come into BJJ and tap out in seconds, its completely inferior to BJJ, it has like 4 submissions and wins by a judge tapping the mat LOL