Mixed Martial Arts, One of the oldest forms of fighting.

[BoarSpear]

how do you train these devastating, lethal attacks against resisting opponents then? how do you realistically train these deadly techniques?

By studying and practicing with someone who knows the art.

[knifethrower]

how do you train these devastating, lethal attacks against resisting opponents then? how do you realistically train these deadly techniques?

Peaceful, flowing Tai Chi Forms

[DickHardman]

Uh huh so you hunted the cultural dance and festival's that have been ripped off to build sports...the original art was taught to the Military and is 18 simple moves that resulted in either a broken neck or snapped limb period. All counters did more damage than the original attack, there are no breakfalls because that requires stopping fighting. It most definitely is not a sport, do they combine it with the folk wrestling they do? No. Do the folk wrestlers know this form and use its associated training techniques? Probably not, it isn't a sport. NONE of the attacks are legal in ANY ring anywhere.

how do you train these devastating, lethal attacks against resisting opponents then? how do you realistically train these deadly techniques?

[BoarSpear]

hmm, well this clip of mongolian wrestling doesnt show anyone getting killed or crippled. this looks like a sport if you ask me, with many rules.

btw, how many people have you killed and crippled in your life?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wB6WISba5M

Uh huh so you hunted the cultural dance and festival's that have been ripped off to build sports...the original art was taught to the Military and is 18 simple moves that resulted in either a broken neck or snapped limb period. All counters did more damage than the original attack, there are no breakfalls because that requires stopping fighting. It most definitely is not a sport, do they combine it with the folk wrestling they do? No. Do the folk wrestlers know this form and use its associated training techniques? Probably not, it isn't a sport. NONE of the attacks are legal in ANY ring anywhere.

BTW by your little question it's evident you have never been in the Military, and have ZERO experience around those who have.

[DickHardman]

Nope...all the throws were designed to kill or cripple the opponent, none are legal in the ring. But thanks for showing your lack of knowledge on the subject AGAIN.

hmm, well this clip of mongolian wrestling doesnt show anyone getting killed or crippled. this looks like a sport if you ask me, with many rules.

btw, how many people have you killed and crippled in your life?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wB6WISba5M

[BoarSpear]

boarspear didnt you say you train in mongolian wrestling? isnt that a sport?

Nope...all the throws were designed to kill or cripple the opponent, none are legal in the ring. But thanks for showing your lack of knowledge on the subject AGAIN.

[DickHardman]

boarspear didnt you say you train in mongolian wrestling? isnt that a sport?

[jubaji]

They damn sure shouldn't try to use a sport to train warriors...]

This is a nice combination of not answering the question and displaying your insecurities yet again.

[BoarSpear]

they should have trained in tai chi and mongolian wrestling instead right?

They damn sure shouldn't try to use a sport to train warriors...Alexander the Great also didn't allow his armies to train in sport grappling, he felt it weakened his armies abilities to win battles...but hey the Current Military leaders are way better Generals than Alexander.

Here's a little wisdom from my sig line and Master At Arms James Keating...

" What is the General Purpose Which Underlies Martial Arts Training?

There is only one purpose and that is combative survival skills and knowledge. Not games, sports, fitness, not religion, not oneness nor harmony. COMBATIVES first, then all the rest can fit as they fantasically shall. Yah, Yah, you can babble and bark, save yer emails, I love my dork-delete button. No matter how you hide it, combat is the front runner here mate. Now, who will not buy into this logic? Ah, I know who! The weaklings, money grubbers and dojo-dorks and the sheeple they herd will no doubt shudder at my words written here as if blast forth straight from Satans mouth they were. You must grasp this fact .. most combat related material falls well outside the parameters of "acceptable" martial arts training. Why is that? Hmm, lemme see now, ah yes, here it is: We all hide from our own violence, we always have, we always do, those who choose to longer hide are then branded "crazy" or renegades. Indeed fearsome men have always endured this mark of cain. There are tigers and sheeple in the world. It is always thus."

I do believe that sums up my "fan club" here nicely. Carry on SPORTS FANS.

Oh and a side note for you as you AGAIN show your ignorance, Mongolian Wrestling IS being researched and studied with the intent to add it to the new system being formulated to repair the damage the bjj addition did. Keep up the informed posting there skippy.

[DickHardman]

See what I mean about wasted time...not one of you could deal with the facts that the MMA that was added to Military combatives weakened the Military and is being rethought so you attacked me...classic defend.not behavior.

they should have trained in tai chi and mongolian wrestling instead right?

[jubaji]

more illogic

I've been practicing Judo and JJJ since the 60's....

Sucking ass at something for decades is nothing to boast about and adds '0' authority to your bullshit attitude, dope.

[BoarSpear]

Well, it's like Boar just said, he doesn't watch MMA, and he's only ever seen one Pride fight. So if a person's only basis for an opinion is a single fight that they saw on TV rather than training with some of the kinds of people that Guro Dan, Paul Vunak, Marc Denny, Eric Knaus, Matt Thornton, me, and many, many others have chosen to learn from, it's easy to see how their picture might be skewed.

It's like saying that Tito lost a fight or had to have frineds jump in is evidence that MMA will get you killed in the street. I'm sure he's won his share of streetfights using the very same skills, and even in the one he lost, he survived. Maybe the fight wasn't all that serious. Most fights aren't, after all.

There's no point in arguing it, guys. People who don't find any use for sports can't conceivably appreciate the hard work and toughness it takes to reach any level of skill at them. People who dismiss sports neglect the fact that many accomplished people from Harry Truman all the way down to entertainers like Bon Jovi have credited the work ethic they learned from sports for their ultimate success. People who don't put themselves on the line and compete with others on a level field don't have any idea what it means to experience that raw and visceral exhiliration. It's not wrong of them in any way, but it's something that no amount of explanation will ever be enough to overcome. In the same way that I'm ignorant of Boar's methods and applications of Tai Chi, he is ignorant of the benefits of MMA training methods as they can be used. I'm ignorant of his methods, and he is ignorant of the things we're discussing here. Maybe the same is true for Uke. The ways he chooses to train may be absolutely effective and practical for him, and I am totally ignorant of them. That's why I don't criticize them. I just don't know enough. And maybe that's why I get bent out of shape when others criticize the things I do without knowing how I do it either. Uke, you have no concept - literally no inkling - as to how I apply MMA methods to my training, and you don't have any way of knowing even what I choose to take from it. But you still somehow decide you have enough information not only to speculate about what's missing in my training, but also to tell me that it's a fact (not an opinion) that my choices of training methods will get people killed? How is that, I wonder. It's the same with Boar, and anyone else who absolutely dismisses any method that they have not seen firsthand, and experienced in the way that they are criticizing. They believe they're right because they choose to believe they're right - nothing more. Admitting ignorance or entertaining the possibility that maybe there's more to it than they think can make them seem smaller somehow, so they don't. And as we've seen, no amount of logic, questioning, or real-world examples will ever be enough to make them say, "Maybe I don't have the whole picture. Maybe there are benefits to this stuff that I'm not seeing."

I don't know why that's so hard or painful, but it sure seems to be a hurdle that's impossible to jump.

Funny little piece of info you idiots forget...I've been practicing combat Judo and JJJ since the 60's...your new fascination is OLD news. YOU assume I'm not familiar with your game but I am...but you're damn sure ignorant of mine (Brewers lame attempt at summing up the "soft arts was classic) ...have fun with personal attacks when the facts don't suit you.

See what I mean about wasted time...not one of you could deal with the facts that the MMA that was added to Military combatives weakened the Military and is being rethought so you attacked me...classic defend.not behavior.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Yeah, on the positive side of the ledger. Any big meets coming up?

Oh yeah. I have a match this week too but a big big tournement this weekend. Ill PM you the details.

[jubaji]

140. "in the black", whats that? a winning record right?

Yeah, on the positive side of the ledger. Any big meets coming up?

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Ok, you're in the black. What weight?

140. "in the black", whats that? a winning record right?