Gracie Jiu Jitsu IS the best all around style!!!!

[jubaji]

i believe sombo and greco roman also took in some brazilian jiu jitsu ...

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[jubaji]

but for real in tuned martial artist most fights wont end up on the ground .

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[jubaji]

i dont meen to disespect a martial art but bjj is good only for poeple who dont know how to fight i meen why the hell would u want to go to the ground fighti

If i got in a fight with sumone who knows bjj i hope they try to take me to the ground cause they will just end the fight quicker.

Good luck in the hospital, punk.

[danfaggella]

i actually agree with jubaji, who i recently dislike

such ignorance is what got all those dumb shits BEAT on by royce, people think if they can punch they can fight, but ground fighitng beats standup a good percent of the time.

[Tameo]

It all depends on the fighter really, if the guy who does stand up is faster he will usually win or knock the other guy out wit ha powerfull strike, if the grappler guy is faster he will do what he knows and tie up the guy on the ground. There can be both good strikers and good grapplers, I picked stricking because i belive its a safer way to fight, you end the fight alot faster and you are not commited to one person if you are fighting more than one opponent. 1 on 1 thought i belive its is a 50/50 chance if both grappler and striker are equally good fighters.

[Tameo]

If you are a stricker and you know what grapplers can do, how they can take you down and you are aware of these threats and train to deal with them, striking arts like TWchun work perfect against a grappler. We drill bui -jue strikes to sensetive areas and use elbows in close range really effectively, so it would not be easy to take a well trained Twchun person down to the ground. My teacher demonstrated it in his no-holds barred cage fights.

[EmptyneSs]

striking and grappling shouldnt be compared against eachother imop. they are 2 completely different things, and knowing both is best. one thing i like alot about training in a striking art(i do muy thai/boxing) is that it makes u extremely fast. ive sparred people so fast in mt that i would be trying to nail them my hardest and they would be throwing kicks over my head just for fun. u cant even touch some people because of the speed and footwork they develope from constant sparring. im pretty fast myself, much faster than the regular guy, and i cant even come close to touching some of the other kickboxers at my gm. u cant get the same physical speed from bjj. on the flipside, in bjj u get to learn how to use clothing to your advantage. that so practical, and adds a whole nother catagory to your tools. everyone wears clothing, and people weair thick coats and jackets all the time. u dont learn that in striking. they both contain valuable techniques and strategies and they both have their own time and place to be used.

[beatbreeder86]

or what if you could strike, have perfect takedowns, and submit..wait i think im describing fedor

[jubaji]

comedy

If you are a stricker and you know what grapplers can do, how they can take you down and you are aware of these threats and train to deal with them, striking arts like TWchun work perfect against a grappler. .

Funny stuff

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[Tom Yum]

If you are a stricker and you know what grapplers can do, how they can take you down and you are aware of these threats and train to deal with them, striking arts like TWchun work perfect against a grappler. We drill bui -jue strikes to sensetive areas and use elbows in close range really effectively, so it would not be easy to take a well trained Twchun person down to the ground. My teacher demonstrated it in his no-holds barred cage fights.

Can you name the circuit and tournament that this happened?

I'm generously giving you the benefit of the doubt here, because every wingchun match that I've seen against a grappler has ended with the wingchun guy on his back, getting pounded or subbed. Sometimes, even the grappler knocks out the striker, as in the case of Kerr vs. Scott? (UFC). Kerr was a collegiate wrestling prodigy who wanted to make a living out of grappling; Scott was an army ranger with a background in wingchun.

Here's how the match went. Scott tried to establish distance with some short straight punches, not trying to hit rather getting his range. Kerr closes the gap and they clinch. Kerr fires a knee and KOs Scott.

Scott is a ranger and has probably used some of his system in warfare, probably with environment or suprise on his side, but against a one on one match with Kerr it dodn't work...

Every pure grappler vs. pure striker match has ended in the same way. Years ago I was an advanced ranked MA ist in one style that teaches joint locks, throws and sweeps and I got subbed by a BJJ white belt with 5 months experience in 5 minutes. Its called a reality check. Van Clief (a 10th dan in kempo) fought Royce Gracie in the UFCs. Van Clief was probably in the best shape of his life and brought 40 years experience in the MA's, probably some street experience too. Same deal, Van Clief gets taken down tries to roll and got sub'd in 5 minutes.

Did you ever see the Cheung vs. Boztepe challenge.....? Boztepe's very crude grappling skills gave him a huge advantage.

If you're still buying into the watered down grappling defense, you should bring your wc skills into a local wrestling club or BJJ school and put em to the test for your own sake.

I'm not disrespecting wingchun, because I think every art has some benefits for self defense. You've got to be progressive and honest if you want to test yourself.

[Tant01]

Nice... Good on TOM! You know, it's the same old story for the Grappler.

IF he knows what a striker can do, the feints, the footwork, the elbows and eye rakes,gouges, etc, the trapping and kicking... Grappling arts like BJJ can work perfectly against a striker...

[Tom Yum]

Nice... Good on TOM! You know, it's the same old story for the Grappler.

IF he knows what a striker can do, the feints, the footwork, the elbows and eye rakes,gouges, etc, the trapping and kicking... Grappling arts like BJJ can work perfectly against a striker...

Thanks again, Tanto.

I'd also add that throwing the kitchen sink now and then is pretty good defense too.

[Tameo]

Can you name the circuit and tournament that this happened?

I'm generously giving you the benefit of the doubt here, because every wingchun match that I've seen against a grappler has ended with the wingchun guy on his back, getting pounded or subbed. Sometimes, even the grappler knocks out the striker, as in the case of Kerr vs. Scott? (UFC). Kerr was a collegiate wrestling prodigy who wanted to make a living out of grappling; Scott was an army ranger with a background in wingchun.

Here's how the match went. Scott tried to establish distance with some short straight punches, not trying to hit rather getting his range. Kerr closes the gap and they clinch. Kerr fires a knee and KOs Scott.

Scott is a ranger and has probably used some of his system in warfare, probably with environment or suprise on his side, but against a one on one match with Kerr it dodn't work...

Every pure grappler vs. pure striker match has ended in the same way. Years ago I was an advanced ranked MA ist in one style that teaches joint locks, throws and sweeps and I got subbed by a BJJ white belt with 5 months experience in 5 minutes. Its called a reality check. Van Clief (a 10th dan in kempo) fought Royce Gracie in the UFCs. Van Clief was probably in the best shape of his life and brought 40 years experience in the MA's, probably some street experience too. Same deal, Van Clief gets taken down tries to roll and got sub'd in 5 minutes.

Did you ever see the Cheung vs. Boztepe challenge.....? Boztepe's very crude grappling skills gave him a huge advantage.

If you're still buying into the watered down grappling defense, you should bring your wc skills into a local wrestling club or BJJ school and put em to the test for your own sake.

I'm not disrespecting wingchun, because I think every art has some benefits for self defense. You've got to be progressive and honest if you want to test yourself.

Somehow Boztepe didnt hit Cheung even once. He did a seminar right after and had photos taken. Dont thing that all wing chun is the same, iv seen some wing chun that is completely useless, no realistic training at all, no sparring or resistance training. Were i train we learn how to not be taken to the ground. I know the basic takedowns, I have some experienced bjj friends and i have done freestyle wrestling for about 2 years, and I know what they do. As long as you have all your weapons available, elbows kneese, fingers, teeth, forhead, shoulders, and you are fast enough a grappler does not have a very big chance at taking you down. most of the mma competitions dont allow elbows or pressure point strikes, or finger jabs and biting. In the no-holds barred cage fights my teacher fought in elbows were allowed so he easily took care of the grapplers. They would try to shoot for his legs and he would sprawl (or however you spell it) with one leg, and elbow to the back of the neck or head. fight over. Ill ask my teacher were exactly he fought next time I see him and ill tell you as soon as i find out.

[jubaji]

As long as you have all your weapons available, elbows kneese, fingers, teeth, forhead, shoulders, and you are fast enough a grappler does not have a very big chance at taking you down. .

See, talk like this is just not realistic. Its like saying "If you got all your weapons available a boxer won't hit you". Just flies in the face of reality.

[wcskgh]

this post is what ruins credibility for us wc people. first off, cheungs face was in a newspaper the next day and it was all beat up, boztepe did hit him, second the takedonw and knee on belly is from wc, not grappling skills.

all gong fu works, but to put two guys across a ring, and then say go! i would say that many times the grappler will win, but if your in a bar, and someone starts shit with you, and its on, i say gong fu has worked fine for me.

many gong fu guiys can stop the shoot, by train ing against it, but to say an elbow to the back, or finger jabs stop a fight, is nonsense, we spar that way, and nine out of ten times, the finger jab hits the forehead of a fast wrestler, and you mess your fingers up.

in the ufc, there has never been a descent wing chun guy, ever, and again, it my belief that ufc is for striking and grappling. throw some obstacles in the ring, like some cars, a fire hydrant, a bunch of people, a table, etc, and gong fu works fine, more like in real life, a fight rarely starts with two guys starting at oppositte ends of an opne space. last fight i had was on a subway, theres no way i was going to grapple.

if you keep things in prespective, all arts work fine, theres no majic art. one reason grapplers seem better is because on average it takes a bjj guy like 10 years to get a blackbelt, whereas a commercial gong fu school, many are belt factories and givbe one out in three years.also every bjj class you spar, and many gong fu schools dont spar enough.

i have seen indonesian grappling,, and its just as effective as bjj, but more street, i also train bjj, because it is very effective. but all the gong fu and karate guys in the world have done fine on the street for the last 60 years or so, and never needed bjj. the octagon is not the street,

i respect all arts, and my street experience leads me to believ each art has it strong points and weak points.