Religious diffrences

[kingoftheforest]

No, not every single human being supported slavery. Just enough of them to have it last for 400 years. I am fully aware of abolitionists, but are most of the forum members aware that slavery wasn't ended for ANY moral reasons, but because of economics?

The North couldn't compete with the South because the South had no overhead. Even in its age of industrial revolution, the North could not compete with free labor. The institution of slavery was an economic inconvenience and that is why it was abolished. Not because of any speeches or religious protests. If Lincoln could have united the Union and the Confederacy while maintaining slavery he would have done so. As it is, even the soldiers who fought for their freedom and who were promised 40 acres and a mule were freed but given no land and no mule. And it was at that point that the Unites States government created Jim Crow laws to further subjugate African Americans, who at that time weren't even referred to as Americans.

I can't speak for you church Arieson, but I can speak to the fact that it was the heads of many different churches that started up their own chapters of the KKK. So, while I acknowledge the abolitionist, they were so few that they made only a minor impact.

True. If it was really for the rights of blacks and freeing slaves why were they not aloud public educations? Why could they not vote? Why did it take till the 50's and people like Rev Martin Luther King Jr. to gain rights for the blacks.

Let us also not forget that many tribes in Africa sold the tribesmen that they had defeated in battle to the white man full well knowing that they would be slaves.


And maybe the term indentured servant should be looked up too, that would be white people with white slaves. Oh lets talk about Serfs as well. Slavery wasn't just a black thing. I believe in historical documentation the first recorded slaves were the Jews.

So there should be a lot of people in the world right now with a hand out don't you think?

[GonzoStyles]

Just because you jump into a debate late

Because I wait to comment in the forum I am somehow relegated to a lower standing in the discussion? Stick to the point please instead of launching a personal attack straight away.

It was the horrific manner in which the Middle Passage was allowed to be conducted.

and Arab Muslim slave traders had an established industry across the Sahara which traded millions of slaves.

Captain James Riley wrote of being captured and enslaved by Muslim Arabs in his 1817 book "Sufferings in Africa" a great read.

Show me the gaps in my story.

You claimed no massive indoctrination by Muslims on a level of the Spanish inquisition, but many of these slaves were indoctrinated into Islam if only to better their pitiful existence and improve their chance of freedom, thats not exactly true and willfull submission to Allah!

If your so damn smart

I am no such thing but your soapbox "history of horrible European Christians" gets old quicker than "Poor rich rap stars"

So I decided to have fun and shoot it down.

Europeans have blurred the term "Moor" for "Muslim"? They made the two synonymous so that every deed done by Moors were made to seem as if they were doing it in the name of Allah and Islam.

Yes much like you do with Catholics and Christians of a certain period and Christianity in general, it gets old showing you the other side of the coin.
Abolitionism is rooted in Christianity. From the Quakers to the Church of England.

Its the same dumb shit he talks about with today's terrorism. A couple of nuts who happen to have been born in Islam doesn't let the few define Islam for the whole. Mike Brewer has had a long and lengthy debate with a Muslim gentleman on this forum where he even goes as far as to say that Muslim leaders haven't spoke out against Al Qaeda. BULLSHIT!!! Islamic religious leaders speak out against terrorism all the time across the world. They travel the world making speeches and conducting workshops to educate those who don't know the core of Islam.

Now, how many Christian leaders spoke out against the Inquisition? How many spoke out against the Crusades? How many spoke out against the Salem Witch Trials? How many spoke out against the Middle Passage? How many are putting their ass on the line to do what's right?

I'd suggest you all read "The Christian Taliban" and learn something about your own religion that you all probably didn't even know. Those nut jobs are based out of Colorado Springs.

Know any of 'em, Mike Brewer?

Do you know Uke that Islamic countries were some of the last to officially outlaw slavery?

Sudan 1924 although it is still practiced today with POW's from civil wars.

Morocco 1930

Qatar 1952

Saudi Arabia and Yemen 1962!!

United Arab Emirates 1963

Oman 1970

Where were the Muslim holy men speaking out to abolish slavery Uke in this modern time?

About a hundred years behind American Christianity!!


You finally made a valid point although with the rising tide of Jihadist extremism I would say a more organized vocal response from the Mullahs and Islamic leaders condemning violence is needed when innocent children and women die. IDE's don't just kill infidels

And besides It would make them look a sight better than Pat Roberts calling for the assassination of Chavez!

But you end your tirade like it started with an insult to a moderator when you are supposed to be rebutting my post.

Way to go.....

[jubaji]

I am fully aware of abolitionists, but are most of the forum members aware that slavery wasn't ended for ANY moral reasons, but because of economics?

LOL! Categorical declarations from the kid who has proven his limited intelligence and tenuous grasp of history over and over again!

[jubaji]

You just know the answer has something to do with COMBATIVES!

[Tom Yum]

The fact that you have glossed over that continuously and purposefully for over 100 posts now tells me that either you're incapable of seeing people as individuals, or you're just so threatened by me personally that you need to make everything I say into an argument. Either way, I think it's a pretty bad foot to put forward.

So if you're capable, willing, and brave enough to address a topic you've thus far appeared completely incapable of understanding, answer this simple question:

Why is it that you can forgive Muslims for burning churches, kidnapping priests and nuns, killing fellow Muslims in the streets, decapitating reporters, etc., blaming it all on the Jews and Chritians in the Middle East, but you can't separate someone who goes to church on Sundays, contributes to charity, works at the homeless shelter, and raises his or her kids to be respectful, productive, peaceful members of a society from the Crusaders and the Spanish Inquisition?

Uke's here to win an argument. Period. Rationality be damned! lol.

[jubaji]

until you actually look at the history...

What was said was that they did not wage wars and force-feed Islam at the end of a barrel.

Yeah, the dhimmis really had it good alright.

[jubaji]

Really? I didn't think he was smart enough to know when he was beat.

[DickHardman]

the crusades were crazy man. the third crusade was the dopest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Crusade. when is mel gibson gonna make a third crusade movie, with him as richard the lion heart??

[Ahsen]

one link over the other link

believe what you want to believe and let Allah decide.

[Ahsen]

Whats make you think I havent read them
I think its you whos going all sanctimonious mike

LIke I said you have your version I have mine
both sides have contradictory history
one of them is lying
now mike I'm not going to force something on you
just accept what people think

[Ahsen]

WHo said that they are correct Mike
I only use one side of the other because someone is shouting on me in how their version is correct.

Mike we are in the same boat in this and yes I do believe that their could be possiblity that both sides are lying.

[Tom Yum]

I knew Aisha from the block.

She was fly.

[medic06]

Wow. Uke really must have been scared of this one! He jumped ship and never looked back! Left a Looney-Tunes-style Uke-shaped hole in the wall...

We're seeing a new formula emerging.

• Chime in on a topic
• Use someone else's research, making sure you don't cross check anything.
• Never commit to an opinion of your own.
• When people point out the research failures, deny them.
• Never commit to an opinion of your own.
• Try to let other people's opinions speak for you, even if they're shown to be wrong.
• Label everyone else's views (Especially Mike Brewer's) as "invalid" or "untrue."
• Never commit to an opinion of your own, especially one you personally feel is "valid" or "true."
  
  Anyone want to see if this formula applies in Uke's recent threads?
• If people see through your thinly researched, poorly checked, often false sources, run like hell before they embarrass you in front of all these people.

I believe he learned that strategy from our president. Chances are he is standing somewhere with his hands raised proclaiming: "Mission Accomplished"

[DickHardman]

i wish iran had never been islamicized. it could have been one of the wealthiest, most modern countries on earth, and one of the USAs strongest partners. the islamic revolution just set them back and economically raped the county

[kingoftheforest]

Wow. Uke really must have been scared of this one! He jumped ship and never looked back! Left a Looney-Tunes-style Uke-shaped hole in the wall...

We're seeing a new formula emerging.

• Chime in on a topic
• Use someone else's research, making sure you don't cross check anything.
• Never commit to an opinion of your own.
• When people point out the research failures, deny them.
• Never commit to an opinion of your own.
• Try to let other people's opinions speak for you, even if they're shown to be wrong.
• Label everyone else's views (Especially Mike Brewer's) as "invalid" or "untrue."
• Never commit to an opinion of your own, especially one you personally feel is "valid" or "true."
  
  Anyone want to see if this formula applies in Uke's recent threads?
• If people see through your thinly researched, poorly checked, often false sources, run like hell before they embarrass you in front of all these people.

Maybe he just felt that he was wasting his time since he posted this same thread on another forum and even though people disagreed with him it didn't take to idiocy and trolling that happens in every thread here. It's great to have a conversation when three or four people are making points and counter points but when the five year olds are allowed to keep coming in and just making two sentence posts that have nothing to do with the subject and only insult who wants to stick around and put up with it.

He must have had better things to do than help babysit people who can only harass others with their free time.

And BTW this wasn't Uke's thread. I did quite a bit of research before I started this thread and the original paper I wrote that I condensed down to start it was about 5 typed pages long and included a lot more info. But when the one liner club starts I stop wasting my time here I have better things to do like more research and training.