To people who don't seem to believe Bruce Lee is the real deal..

[Ghost]

ok, just that i saw pics of him from before, and his body was magnificent. didn't know the standards have elevated that much.

oh yeah hes still good, but yeah its moved on alot since then.
People likejay cutler and ronnie coleman are just HUGE, personally i think arnie looks better but he was not near their size, arnie had chest and arms but not the back and legs of these guys though i think they look totally freaky now.

[lucidmist]

i mean compared to back when he was mr olympia.
hes a good example of someone who was good in his time but his character elevates him to a level where people think he is the best. Compared to todays bodybuilders he wouldnt make it onto the stage for mr.olympia.

There are guys at regional an national levels that are bigger now than he was back then. times change.

ok, just that i saw pics of him from before, and his body was magnificent. didn't know the standards have elevated that much.

[lucidmist]

Yeah, see here again, this one wasn't scary at all. Are you losing your edge, Lucy?

you're getting childishly boring, girl. try harder. *yaAawn*

[jubaji]

disappointing

Ah, maybe it's cos I really was right. You're just a sad attention-seeker, afraid to be left out. Boy, you must've accumulated thousands of redundant and unnecessary posts with all these stuff like "stupid", "f**king" blah blah blah whiny, girly posts and comments!

Yeah, see here again, this one wasn't scary at all. Are you losing your edge, Lucy?

[Ghost]

arnie wouldn't? you mean based on his size over the last few years, or back when during his days as mr. olympia?

i mean compared to back when he was mr olympia.
hes a good example of someone who was good in his time but his character elevates him to a level where people think he is the best. Compared to todays bodybuilders he wouldnt make it onto the stage for mr.olympia.

There are guys at regional an national levels that are bigger now than he was back then. times change.

[lucidmist]

This is stuff that has come from traditional martial arts. You probably won't learn techniques like these in MMA, granted MMA is much better for perfecting timing and execution under pressure...if your base style doesn't adjust to real-time or work against resistance, what good is it?

Strikes to vital points (that you can't do in MMA type sparring) do work.

A public example of this is when BJ Penn 'accidentally' landed a finger to Matt Hughes eye in UFC 63. It sent Matt turning away from Hughes and bent him over and Matt Hughes isn't a fighter known for turning his back! Back in UFC 6 (I think)..Keith Hackney escaped Joe Son's guard, got a side mount and punched him in the balls until Son let him go.

Tieing this all back to your original post about Bruce, he advocated sparring against resisting opponents with rules to develop attributes for fighting, as he did with his students and with other martial artists like Dan Inosanto, TKD master Jhoon Lee, HKD master Ji Han Jae, Judo Gene Labelle and as an amateur boxer once he got to the States.

He also advocated fighting dirty when necessary, which he drilled against the wooden dummy, bags or done carefully against opponents - spear fingers, elbows, stomping, attacking the ears/groin and even biting.

He believed in fighting to test attributes, while training with
weapons that could do more harm.

Yeah.. Bruce believed in doing whatever was necessary to bring the opponent down.

Anyway, did Bruce Lee learn HKD before, prior to developing JKD? cos there are similarities to stances and punches used in HKD, just wondering if anybody knows..

And was it true that Bruce didn't like training to kick for actual fighting (except the JKD stop-kick), but trained more to defend against them?

[lucidmist]

I like these

Traditional martial arts still work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xXWj4X2HU

Traditional MA + street stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96BekJxApsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

This guy's not a knockout puncher, but he lands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OtvSHYzN4

150-lb amateur MMA fighter (2nd fight) vs a good 200-lb street fighter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dtBAY7T4f0

Awesome videos!

Man, the old guy was cool, the other 3 guys couldn't get near him! He's fast for his age. And in the background, people were shouting something like "how can you do a 3-on-1", I think.

Heh, I saw the last video before, and I think they had a rematch. Was a tougher fight, both were exhausted at the end if I remember correctly..

[lucidmist]

Yeah, I was speaking of when many of them initiate punches.

When these Latino guys first start throwing punches they seem to be leaned back to some degree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDvPtj2Nwg

Wild fighting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp20nG8mCeI

These first two young teens throwing blows epitomizes what I'm talking about as to people leaning backwards when they punch. I don't look at videos like this for entertainment but I do show my young nephews videos such as this one as learning tools as *not what to do*: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBMGN-32QjM



Compare those undisciplined sights to this.

Now videos of adult men, who are learned or training in the arts of combat, and have disciplined fighting styles, I can watch for both entertainment and educational purposes. (so long as it is not geared toward permanently harming someone) The second fight is good, both men have done some training in a fighting art you can tell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBMGN-32QjM



I agree.

Hey man! Thanks for the links.. they're GREAT! LOL, the last video, it was hilarious the way one of the boys kept throwing the other guy to the ground! Do you think the guy getting thrown would've been able to turn it around to his advantage if he learnt BJJ or some groundfighting?

[lucidmist]

Hmmm...that one wasn't scary so much as just shit-all stupid. Try again, Lucy.

Ah, maybe it's cos I really was right. You're just a sad attention-seeker, afraid to be left out. Boy, you must've accumulated thousands of redundant and unnecessary posts with all these stuff like "stupid", "f**king" blah blah blah whiny, girly posts and comments!

[lucidmist]

Lucid Mist, do you study JKD?

I think one of your previous posts mentions your study of taiji. Don't know much about the system, except that it looks like aikido and is known for generating power from strong rooting rather than muscular exertion.

Tom Yum, yep, but no expert level.

I did taiji years ago, and another chinese art called Khong Chang (empty palm), I know it sounds similar to karate, but it's actually very different in practice..

Taiji does focus on strong rooting, but the actual combat taiji does have certain techniques with more agile footwork (not somersaults or leaping), just shifting of feet. Actually, in many fighting arts, shifting of footwork can sometimes equate to using opponent's force against himself - so the theory of using opponent's force doesn't just apply to taiji or aikido (as commonly thought to be). These are just little things not noticed by many, I guess. I guess taiji is similar to aikido in some aspects, but besides the hands and feet, taiji utilizes knees, elbows, shoulders and every section of the hand.

And rooting does generate power, but a big part of the power comes from the circular movements. As everyone knows, a punch, when fully swung generates more power because it takes a circular path, but since wide swings are risky in an actual fight, we apply the theory of "small circle" in our faster straight punches.

[Knuckles&Knees]

This is stuff that has come from traditional martial arts. You probably won't learn techniques like these in MMA, granted MMA is much better for perfecting timing and execution under pressure...if your base style doesn't adjust to real-time or work against resistance, what good is it?

Strikes to vital points (that you can't do in MMA type sparring) do work.

A public example of this is when BJ Penn 'accidentally' landed a finger to Matt Hughes eye in UFC 63. It sent Matt turning away from Hughes and bent him over and Matt Hughes isn't a fighter known for turning his back! Back in UFC 6 (I think)..Keith Hackney escaped Joe Son's guard, got a side mount and punched him in the balls until Son let him go.

Tieing this all back to your original post about Bruce, he advocated sparring against resisting opponents with rules to develop attributes for fighting, as he did with his students and with other martial artists like Dan Inosanto, TKD master Jhoon Lee, HKD master Ji Han Jae, Judo Gene Labelle and as an amateur boxer once he got to the States.

He also advocated fighting dirty when necessary, which he drilled against the wooden dummy, bags or done carefully against opponents - spear fingers, elbows, stomping, attacking the ears/groin and even biting.

He believed in fighting to test attributes, while training with weapons that could do more harm.

Very interesting post, Yum.

Hey, if fingers to the eyes can make that physical monster Matt Hughes turn away and bend over, then it's something that has to work!

[Knuckles&Knees]

I like these

Traditional martial arts still work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xXWj4X2HU

Traditional MA + street stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96BekJxApsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

This guy's not a knockout puncher, but he lands...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OtvSHYzN4

Boy that old Asian man was a tough old guy to stand up to all of that.

That last boxer clip I liked more than the Asian boxer clip, because the last boxing clip showed a guy with better skill.

150-lb amateur MMA fighter (2nd fight) vs a good 200-lb street fighter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dtBAY7T4f0

That's the same video I showed at the bottom of my other post. Lol.

[Tom Yum]

Tom Yum, you are making me that much more dangerous of a man.

This is stuff that has come from traditional martial arts. You probably won't learn techniques like these in MMA, granted MMA is much better for perfecting timing and execution under pressure...if your base style doesn't adjust to real-time or work against resistance, what good is it?

Strikes to vital points (that you can't do in MMA type sparring) do work.

A public example of this is when BJ Penn 'accidentally' landed a finger to Matt Hughes eye in UFC 63. It sent Matt turning away from Hughes and bent him over and Matt Hughes isn't a fighter known for turning his back! Back in UFC 6 (I think)..Keith Hackney escaped Joe Son's guard, got a side mount and punched him in the balls until Son let him go.

Tieing this all back to your original post about Bruce, he advocated sparring against resisting opponents with rules to develop attributes for fighting, as he did with his students and with other martial artists like Dan Inosanto, TKD master Jhoon Lee, HKD master Ji Han Jae, Judo Gene Labelle and as an amateur boxer once he got to the States.

He also advocated fighting dirty when necessary, which he drilled against the wooden dummy, bags or done carefully against opponents - spear fingers, elbows, stomping, attacking the ears/groin and even biting.

He believed in fighting to test attributes, while training with weapons that could do more harm.

[Tom Yum]

I like these

Traditional martial arts still work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7xXWj4X2HU

Traditional MA + street stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96BekJxApsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

This guy's not a knockout puncher, but he lands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OtvSHYzN4

150-lb amateur MMA fighter (2nd fight) vs a good 200-lb street fighter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dtBAY7T4f0

[Knuckles&Knees]

You can do the lapel choke while standing up as well, face to face, from the side or from the rear.

This much I realize - that's how I applied it on both my brother and friend.

If you've got your grips and your opponent is strong enough to remove your hands from the throat, you can sneak a strike in at the chin with the elbow (or throat w/forearm) while you are still gripping his lapel. This will allow you to transition to something else or make a second attempt.

As soon as you sink the choke in from a stand-up side or rear, a stomp behind the knee will put him down. From the front, a simultaneous but on the shoulders and leg reap will put him down.

Tom Yum, you are making me that much more dangerous of a man.