CMA in reality vs. UFC rules

[yentao]

Now look who is talking. You are the one who likes dildo, sting, wasps, packs, pizza and boxes. I'm no asskisser like you dummy.

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc, you need to fight or to spar with a real boxer, a good one, to be convinced that your convictions are wrong. Everyone tried to tell you that but you don't even cosider what they said. Like talking to a wall.....please open your mind a bit.

no need, i am thin, not muscle body.......

but my two stupid kungfu students of mine do thier stupidity to spar non-kungfu, as the news came from the baranggay..... that is one of the evidence

[HuSanYan]

Now look who is talking. You are the one who likes dildo, sting, wasps, packs, pizza and boxes. I'm no asskisser like you dummy.

??? after you send me a PM saying that you think I am a "very nice & funny guy, whose posts are very entertaining, lets stay in touch" to quote exact words, if thats not a slight bit of 'asskissing' then what is

[Tee Sok]

no need, i am thin, not muscle body.......

but my two stupid kungfu students of mine do thier stupidity to spar non-kungfu, as the news came from the baranggay..... that is one of the evidence

"Spar non-kung fu"?? This means they sparred with a boxer or with a non-kung fu practicioner?? Then I wouldn't call them stupid. You say you are thin. Then there is another reason for you to spar with a boxer (of the same weight) and to cross-train a bit. Why? So you will see how other martial artists train, how they kick and punch......In that way you will have more experience and knowledge and that will help you. If you are thin it doesn't mean you have to become big, but in Kung fu you do a lot of abs, push-ups, pull-ups......and you lift some weights too. Do you do that too?? From what I read in your posts, your style is a traditional one-and traditional Kung fu includes body and weight exercises....

[sherwinc]

"Spar non-kung fu"?? This means they sparred with a boxer or with a non-kung fu practicioner?? Then I wouldn't call them stupid. You say you are thin. Then there is another reason for you to spar with a boxer (of the same weight) and to cross-train a bit. Why? So you will see how other martial artists train, how they kick and punch......In that way you will have more experience and knowledge and that will help you. If you are thin it doesn't mean you have to become big, but in Kung fu you do a lot of abs, push-ups, pull-ups......and you lift some weights too. Do you do that too?? From what I read in your posts, your style is a traditional one-and traditional Kung fu includes body and weight exercises....

the only kungfu training that we keep repeating and repeating until repeating is the prolonge Horse Riding Stance in 6+ minutes, and prolong Push-Up Position in a 6+ minutes.......

Due to my body structure, the reason why my instructor decided to teach me Hik Tai Chi Chuan and its Hik Kiam (Hik Jian) Sword..... as well as ChiDianBun........

no jogging, no body building, no calesthenics, only polonging push-up-position and kia be se (horse riding stance)

maybe, to develop Jing Power within the fist..........

[Tee Sok]

Sherwinc, do you mean that the only body exersice you do is keeping the horse stance? No running? No abs? No pushs-ups?(exept holding the push-up position?) You need a complete body training man! My first gong fu school is traditional and we spent 45 minutes training our body (especially abdomial work) before going to the techniques-forms-sparring. I know the horse stance (Ma Bu) is effective for strengthening your quadriceps, but hey!! You need much more work! And if you really like Bruce Lee and his way of working you must have seen how he trained and how highly he considered body exercices and cardiovascular training. I don't mean you should train like him, but at least you should try to incoporate more exercises....your work-out routine seems pretty weak!

[Oraenor]

Sherwinc, do you mean that the only body exersice you do is keeping the horse stance? No running? No abs? No pushs-ups?(exept holding the push-up position?) You need a complete body training man! My first gong fu school is traditional and we spent 45 minutes training our body (especially abdomial work) before going to the techniques-forms-sparring. I know the horse stance (Ma Bu) is effective for strengthening your quadriceps, but hey!! You need much more work! And if you really like Bruce Lee and his way of working you must have seen how he trained and how highly he considered body exercices and cardiovascular training. I don't mean you should train like him, but at least you should try to incoporate more exercises....your work-out routine seems pretty weak!

There is little toning and body exercise in wing chun so any body exercise you tell him may not be useful to him as the art may not demand those attributes. Look at the great yip man for example, tiny little guy that can defeat all his rivals, nuf said.

[Tee Sok]

There is little toning and body exercise in wing chun so any body exercise you tell him may not be useful to him as the art may not demand those attributes. Look at the great yip man for example, tiny little guy that can defeat all his rivals, nuf said.

Yip Man was one of the great masters in Wing Chun. He reached a level and an age where body exercises didn't matter much, and that doesn't mean he didn't train his body in his youth. And who is able to reach Yip Man's level nowadays? If you reach a good level in Gong Fu that's fine, but that takes a long time and in the meantime fights can happen, and you will need more than your Gong Fu to save you. I was in a WT school and we did push-ups, abs and other free body exercises. In the WC school I am in now we do even more exercises, and we do some running too. And as Bruce Lee put it, one should train every part of the body to be more efficient, regardless of the style practiced.

[HuSanYan]

anyone yapping on about how its NOT necessary to train the body is too lazy to get down the gym & will get stomped in this day and age, simple as that.

Lift weights, do Boxing/MuayThai/SanShou and JJ/grappling, nuff said.

HuSanYan has well & truly spoken

[IPON]

Yip Man was one of the great masters in Wing Chun. He reached a level and an age where body exercises didn't matter much, and that doesn't mean he didn't train his body in his youth.

Wing Chun Maxim: Glass head, cotton belly, iron bridge. There is truely a school of thought of how weight training is bad for your KF, even doing ab work can deacrease your power. Not arguing pro or con, but regarding Yip Man I do not think he looked much different in his youth.

[Oraenor]

anyone yapping on about how its NOT necessary to train the body is too lazy to get down the gym & will get stomped in this day and age, simple as that.

Lift weights, do Boxing/MuayThai/SanShou and JJ/grappling, nuff said.

HuSanYan has well & truly spoken

And what happens when a person fires a bullet into your head? Training too much is useless and training too little is useless.
As for boxing styles,although very effective,are useful in short term use (approx 20yrs max) and grapplin arts are pretty muscular demanding. Not everyone wants fked up joints when they are like in their 40's and head injuries at that.
I give you a question here, do you know any 60+yr old boxers that are still as effective as they were young? Another question is do you think females would use any BJJ against a larger muscular male or in a dress? I think not!

[HuSanYan]

good points Oraenor.
as for the question about the bullet, well, the last time a bullet came at my head, I side stepped it

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc, do you mean that the only body exersice you do is keeping the horse stance? No running? No abs? No pushs-ups?(exept holding the push-up position?) You need a complete body training man! My first gong fu school is traditional and we spent 45 minutes training our body (especially abdomial work) before going to the techniques-forms-sparring. I know the horse stance (Ma Bu) is effective for strengthening your quadriceps, but hey!! You need much more work! And if you really like Bruce Lee and his way of working you must have seen how he trained and how highly he considered body exercices and cardiovascular training. I don't mean you should train like him, but at least you should try to incoporate more exercises....your work-out routine seems pretty weak!

not just Prolong Push-Up Position in 6+ minutes but also the Prolong Horse Riding Stance in 6+ minutes also........

then in the advance, both prolong Push-Up Positioning and prolong Horse Riding Stance there is one partner of yours who sit on your back while you prolonging push-up, and there is one partner of yours who stand on top of your knees while both of you and your partner performs prolong horse riding stance.......

then you holding a 12inch club with a rope tied on the center of that club while the other end of that rope there is a heavy object attach to it and while both of your hands hold the two end parts of that club and gradually rotate that club very slowly (and keep your both elbows not straight) while you lift very slowly the attached weight.... and it is all done with the wrist only..... cause wrist training/foundation is very important in Sword (JianSut)

but these prolong push-up and prolong horse riding stance daily training is the only ticket or payment that you have to pass every day so that our KokSut Instructor will permit to teach you the techniques of the koksut art........ and if you dont pass or you dont want that 2 prolong trainings then better step outside the club and find another martial arts club......

[Tee Sok]

not just Prolong Push-Up Position in 6+ minutes but also the Prolong Horse Riding Stance in 6+ minutes also........

then in the advance, both prolong Push-Up Positioning and prolong Horse Riding Stance there is one partner of yours who sit on your back while you prolonging push-up, and there is one partner of yours who stand on top of your knees while both of you and your partner performs prolong horse riding stance.......

then you holding a 12inch club with a rope tied on the center of that club while the other end of that rope there is a heavy object attach to it and while both of your hands hold the two end parts of that club and gradually rotate that club very slowly (and keep your both elbows not straight) while you lift very slowly the attached weight.... and it is all done with the wrist only..... cause wrist training/foundation is very important in Sword (JianSut)

but these prolong push-up and prolong horse riding stance daily training is the only ticket or payment that you have to pass every day so that our KokSut Instructor will permit to teach you the techniques of the koksut art........ and if you dont pass or you dont want that 2 prolong trainings then better step outside the club and find another martial arts club......

Now that's a better workout, especially for the wrists and forearms. But it still isn't a complete workout to me. I would train abs more than anything else, and do cardiovascular exercise. In my opinion, you should at least do a bit of these.

[Tee Sok]

Wing Chun Maxim: Glass head, cotton belly, iron bridge. There is truely a school of thought of how weight training is bad for your KF, even doing ab work can deacrease your power. Not arguing pro or con, but regarding Yip Man I do not think he looked much different in his youth.

Yes I knew that WC saying. And I saw a young Yip Man picture and he looked pretty much the same......I heard about that school of thought saying that phisical workout can decrease power, and I think the cotton belly theory is related to it. But every Kung Fu school I went to/saw/read about include physical workout in their training, even the internal styles ones.
It is true, though, that there are old masters that don't work out and don't look like they did, preferring chi-kung training. I believe their experience and kung fu level give them enough power and efficiency. On the other hand, Bruce Lee showed us all the importance of working out and of cardio-vascular training. In MA, depending on the goals one wants to achieve, forms and techniques,sparring and working-out are all important and none should be disregarded.